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Corey
0:00
Yeah, I mean, I've already hit record.
Corey
0:04
The show is what you make it, my friend.
Carter
0:06
One of us should start with an introduction. Why don't you do the intro? Welcome
Corey
0:09
Welcome back! Oh, that's good. That's good. Stephen Carter. You know, hmm, you know, this is reminding me.
Corey
0:16
While you were away, I made a lot of references that Zain and Annalise didn't make.
Carter
0:20
Really? So that's why you brought up the Welcome Back Carter from
Carter
0:23
from the late 1980s? Or was it the late 1970s? John Travolta was in it. late 1970s
Corey
0:29
yeah the sweat hogs
Carter
0:31
hogs yes so good so good horse
Carter
0:33
horse hack good stuff how good is that guy yeah
Corey
0:37
yeah i mean really you know barbarino was a was a iconic character so gabe
Carter
0:41
gabe caplan who turned into professional poker player so there you go welcome
Corey
0:46
welcome to brooklyn third largest city in the united states oh that's
Carter
0:49
that's so good this
Corey
0:50
this is all rich content that they they
Corey
0:53
didn't get any of it we really did start recording a minute ago go though so um oh
Corey
0:57
hey welcome to the strategists i'm
Corey
1:00
i'm cory hogan episode 1839
Corey
1:03
and i'm i'm also cory hogan
Carter
1:05
hogan great good start i'm a little jet lagged if
Carter
1:08
if i'm honest i arrived yesterday just got back or
Corey
1:11
or was it today you don't even know i don't even know
Carter
1:13
no i do know it was yesterday because yesterday lasted for 38
Carter
1:20
was a very long
Corey
1:22
did for all of us my friend no
Carter
1:24
no Just knowing I was coming back made the day longer for you. It
Corey
1:27
It was a lot of anticipation for
Carter
1:30
tell me you weren't.
Corey
1:30
weren't. I was. Don't
Corey
1:33
And you know what?
Corey
1:34
We sat there, me, Zane, Annalise, and we said, yeah, we're going to record when Stephen gets back.
Corey
1:41
Do you know what I'm noticing at this particular moment? We're
Carter
1:43
We're short two hosts.
Corey
1:47
So we don't just have a host. We have like extra
Carter
1:50
extra hosts. we have a a host that can just show up whenever we need one yeah
Corey
1:56
yeah and let me tell you didn't
Corey
1:58
didn't always show up while you were away no the
Corey
2:01
problem didn't always manage to get the guy the host
Carter
2:03
host problem continues um it
Corey
2:05
it does continue we
Carter
2:05
we should maybe audition a third host
Corey
2:09
probably a third and a fourth criteria
Carter
2:11
criteria should be available
Corey
2:15
something our current hosts uh have
Corey
2:18
with to be sure my
Carter
2:19
my favorite part of zane's note to us today was hey i'm in regina no no notice no notice no
Corey
2:26
didn't didn't mention that was maybe even a
Carter
2:28
a possibility just showed up in regina one monday just
Carter
2:34
didn't manage to mention it to us
Carter
2:37
does he says with 15 or 20 minutes in advance notice maybe annalise can do it and then at least immediately respond no i can't can't do the show
Corey
2:47
like the the exact same thing happened thursday i mean zane just things just keep happening to him with zero minutes notice that take him to how does the
Corey
2:55
other times i don't
Corey
2:56
don't know but it's
Carter
2:57
it's just insanity to me uh
Corey
3:00
uh so what's happened you have not been here you haven't been here since the u.s election yeah
Carter
3:07
that's why i went on vacation pretty pretty
Carter
3:09
pretty good I have no knowledge of politics since Donald Trump was elected. So there should be a knowledge
Corey
3:17
knowledge no longer necessary, Stephen. Everything we
Carter
3:21
we thought we knew about politics, we don't know nothing.
Corey
3:24
I mean, I don't know. So what are your thoughts? What's your take? On
Corey
3:30
On the hiring of Donald Trump to be CEO of American Corp?
Carter
3:34
Corp? I think that, you know, we have allowed the idea that politics doesn't matter to
Carter
3:39
to infiltrate our society to the point where now maybe
Carter
3:45
maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe
Carter
3:47
Maybe it won't matter. I mean, and that is the best, the best that we can hope for is that the president of the United States no longer matters.
Carter
3:57
I'm not sure that's going to be the case. But limited news, I did get access to in New Zealand. uh indicated that maybe he was going to follow through on his uh on his plans and uh and promises so things
Carter
4:13
good at least matt gates isn't going to be the uh justice man or what is it uh attorney general so attorney
Corey
4:19
attorney it was close it was a little touch and go there for a while
Carter
4:22
while matt gates gonna do he resigned his seat from congress now what's he gonna do he's
Corey
4:27
he's gonna spend time with other people's families yeah that's what's happening especially
Carter
4:31
especially especially their young daughters that's
Corey
4:34
that's that's that was between the lines thank you for making that explicit steven we uh we i
Carter
4:39
i didn't say they were naked that wasn't explicit
Corey
4:45
that's not good it is not good they
Corey
4:48
they were underage this is not cool no
Carter
4:50
at all let's get that house ethics report come on everybody let's go yeah
Corey
4:54
yeah well i still expect that leak
Corey
4:57
way shape or someone
Carter
4:57
someone get on leaking that thing yeah
Corey
5:00
yeah you know it's a good good point that the world seems to be full of like a pretty rough strain of nihilism right now right and so but speaking of which whose
Corey
5:10
whose side are you on
Carter
5:11
on the uh law and order or the guy who killed the uh insurance ceo uh the hell like which side do you come out on on that okay
Corey
5:21
okay well this is you're really carbon dating this episode i think because this is going to be something that we talk about as a society for three weeks and then we move on to the new triple
Carter
5:31
triple big mac this is a big one there's look-alike contests actually yeah
Carter
5:35
i'm thinking about it your
Carter
5:37
your facial hair is
Carter
5:38
is it some sort of cover like
Corey
5:42
he was he was caught okay
Corey
5:45
so it's okay i'm i'm cleared thank
Corey
5:48
yeah i this will not surprise you you know me i am not an enthusiast for extrajudicial killings even of assholes right it is a process i
Carter
5:57
i mean you you've got me as a system i
Carter
6:00
have to think that even the vassals comes kind of as a uh a prerequisite there yeah
Corey
6:06
yeah that's i mean it's good point but the
Corey
6:08
the um the the shooting of a ceo in the middle of new york and then having good chunk of people just say i think it's okay A little
Corey
6:23
large, right? I mean,
Carter
6:26
very on brand for the U.S. right now. Very on brand.
Corey
6:30
Yeah, but like we've, we, I mean, society, civilization, we have kind of seen this show before. It
Corey
6:38
It never ends with just killing the people you don't like. And so we are at an interesting place where we've got kind of strongman urges across the board. people who are more
Corey
6:49
more than happy to let systems burn as long as they get their way.
Corey
6:52
And I understand people are frustrated. In
Corey
6:56
the case of healthcare in the United States, they're being denied coverage that will save their lives, lives of loved ones. And
Corey
7:03
I'm not saying people shouldn't be pissed. I'm not saying people shouldn't take to the streets. They shouldn't be angry. But
Corey
7:10
yeah, I don't know. I mean, 3D printing guns with silencers and taking them out and then then being caught in a mcdonald's with your manifesto handwritten this
Corey
7:19
this is this is uh this is a dark time remember we don't want to be
Carter
7:22
be over the early days in that discussion when they thought he was a real pro yeah
Corey
7:27
yeah right when they thought was is this guy actually like an assassin
Corey
7:31
a mob and then
Carter
7:31
then he gets caught in a mcdonald's well
Corey
7:34
well because he was just so so cold and ruthless and efficient about it shoot go up shoots him again right no
Corey
7:40
no turns out he's just fucking crazy crazy right turns out he's just a crazy person who doesn't really care if he's doing part of me
Carter
7:47
more confident about society now that uh we found out that he's actually you know a crazy person oh
Corey
7:55
oh we should allegedly allegedly
Corey
7:57
like we don't yeah yeah because he's
Carter
7:59
he's probably listening sure he was right now
Corey
8:01
sure he was caught with the gun and the manifesto in central pennsylvania but as somebody quipped online everybody
Corey
8:08
everybody has a gun and a manifesto in a mcdonald's in central pennsylvania so you
Corey
8:13
you can't you can't jump to conclusions on now
Carter
8:16
now you've grown facial hair do you have a manifesto i
Corey
8:20
i've got three manifestos
Carter
8:23
are they your children i carry
Corey
8:23
carry around a different one each
Carter
8:26
thought maybe you're going to make a no
Corey
8:28
no they are my children i abandon the other two any given yeah
Carter
8:30
laurie just picks up the pieces it's
Corey
8:33
it's just somebody has just a
Carter
8:35
a disaster hey um you
Carter
8:37
you want to do a show or what do you want to do uh
Corey
8:40
uh yeah i think you know it's kind of like what's
Corey
8:43
what's my life gonna be it's like you're already living it it's kind of this with the show
Corey
8:47
want to talk you want to do a show you want to do a bit of a show i'll
Carter
8:49
i'll be honest uh i'm pretty tired but
Carter
8:52
but uh i'm pretty sure that what comes out of my mouth is going to be
Carter
8:57
because i'm tired right do
Carter
9:00
do you remember that time i did this well stoned that was a good good time people
Corey
9:03
people on the discord do they mention this as a potential like opportunity to get out of you some truths that you've been avoiding
Carter
9:09
avoiding a lot of truths this is this is probably the perfect time let's talk about trudeau no let's not do that is
Corey
9:15
is vote splitting real steven there's
Carter
9:17
there's no such thing as vote splitting i'll
Carter
9:20
i'll tell you why you're
Corey
9:21
you're an upsetting man no
Carter
9:22
no you have you have five you you cannot assume that the votes are going to go in that direction you
Corey
9:29
okay if they they were going to it makes less sense every time you say it you can't okay i
Corey
9:34
i we don't have a host what so i will attempt to do a podcast call it make
Carter
9:39
make a call let's make a quick call to zane
Carter
9:42
he's probably no i'm going to
Corey
9:43
to use chat gpt instead okay okay so what
Corey
9:46
what are the big issues in
Corey
9:50
in canadian yeah let's do canadian lead some stuff yeah since the u.s election okay
Corey
9:57
okay uh oh yeah trade relations with the united states number one there see we don't need zane i don't need zane
Corey
10:03
zane like zane's been replaced trade
Carter
10:06
negotiate trade relations with the united states is a big thing what
Carter
10:10
what did trump say 25
Corey
10:13
um 25 bud okay
Corey
10:15
okay so i said uh pose them as podcast questions and they're not as they're a lot shorter than zane's questions i'll tell you they
Carter
10:22
they don't go on for several minutes and
Carter
10:24
and get and give their own opinion
Corey
10:30
strangely chat gpt is not editorializing through it all here oh
Corey
10:34
oh man we've got a couple of important things to talk about here way to go chat gpt this is actually pretty okay we're
Carter
10:38
we're not gonna do we got some good
Corey
10:39
good stuff here oh
Corey
10:41
oh man we'll get there i'm gonna i'm gonna run you give you the rundown okay and
Corey
10:44
and you're gonna talk to me about
Corey
10:46
about which one you want to talk about okay
Corey
10:49
we got I trade with the U.S. 25%.
Corey
10:51
And of course, the trip to Mar-a-Lago to
Corey
10:55
I did talk about with Zane. I seriously doubt you listened. I did
Carter
11:00
vacation. I had 14 hours on a plane to
Carter
11:07
I chose not to listen to you and Zane.
Carter
11:11
I don't know what was wrong with me. Fuck
Corey
11:12
Fuck you too, but that's okay. Then
Corey
11:15
we have the Immigration Policy Adjustments, Reduction in Permanent Resident Targets. That's not new, ChatGPT. The fact
Corey
11:26
fact that we've got an upcoming fiscal update happening next week. Right.
Corey
11:30
The GST holiday. Oh,
Carter
11:32
Oh, my God. And
Corey
11:32
And the $250 checks. How have you not been around for this?
Corey
11:39
resignation of Randy Bossino from Canada. That was
Carter
11:43
was the one I was going to suggest that we open with.
Carter
11:46
Yeah, because it's probably the most boring. Because it doesn't feel.
Carter
11:51
Right? Like Randy Boss, let's just say this. Sure.
Carter
11:54
Boss, you know, you should have known better.
Carter
11:56
just leave it there.
Carter
11:58
An adopted Cree. Should have though, shouldn't he? An adopted Cree.
Corey
12:02
That is really rough. That's not. Because of course these, these
Corey
12:08
not designed, like, you know, even philosophically, not designed to help. Not
Carter
12:12
Not at all. Not at all. I mean, there's significant,
Carter
12:15
significant, I'm not sure if people know this. There's, let me just bring this up. There's
Carter
12:20
There's significant racism in our country. Did
Carter
12:22
Did you know that, Corey Hogan?
Corey
12:25
I mean, I haven't experienced any. No,
Carter
12:28
but I'm told. And it
Carter
12:31
turns out that programs that are designed to lift First Nations up shouldn't be taken advantage of by guys like Randy Bossino. know like
Corey
12:41
like random white guys
Carter
12:42
like a white guy adopted
Carter
12:44
yeah who was adopted by someone whose grandmother claimed to be cree yeah
Corey
12:49
yeah cree kind of at this point has become like you know the american equivalent of people saying i've got a tiny bit of cherokee ancestry right it's like the go-to ancestry
Corey
13:00
ancestry people claim because it's such a broad group
Corey
13:04
group you know and you'll find and Cree populations across Canada. And so I
Corey
13:09
think you've got to look at a skeptical eye to claims of this nature, especially from a fellow, and adopted, you
Corey
13:16
this case, like it would imply
Corey
13:19
that you were adopted into that community, into that culture, that you're accepted by that culture. Do
Corey
13:26
Do we, I think it's a pretty high bar to say you're adopted into
Corey
13:30
into a group when you are accessing ameliorative programs. do you yeah
Carter
13:35
yeah i mean uh i'm
Carter
13:37
i'm not a i'm not a fan of it i'm
Carter
13:39
i'm not a fan yeah
Carter
13:40
excellent topic moving on
Corey
13:42
okay yeah do you want to do i tried to stretch it a bit you know i stretched it well it's good a little bit of stretch no
Carter
13:48
no it was really i thought that was a tight a tight 30
Carter
13:56
want to do all right do uh gst holiday i
Corey
14:00
do want to do gst because
Carter
14:01
because my wife would lose it if
Carter
14:04
if i did not bring up what a pain in the ass this is for small business yeah
Corey
14:09
yeah it's not any any
Carter
14:10
any government that says they're pro small business and then plays this kind of bullshit with uh gst and taxation you know how
Carter
14:21
what a pain in the ass it is to determine which products which which items in your store are going to be given a tax-free holiday like it's just just like it just
Carter
14:32
shave 0.1 off the gst for the for a christmas break and call it a gst holiday like
Corey
14:38
like give me a fucking and hey you know stressful
Corey
14:40
stressful time you're a shopkeeper you're trying to get things done i'm
Corey
14:44
i'm sure what you absolutely want to add to that pile is arguing with somebody about whether something applies for a gst especially
Carter
14:51
you know you've just had a port shut down in western canada you've got uh um you know you've got trump threatening a 25 tariff you you've got you know it's hard enough what 60 of your sales are going to happen in a in a six-week period um like come on this is just absolute bullshit uh to to be throwing a tax holiday on uh and and to to suggest that it's going to be of any real benefit i mean just
Carter
15:21
just give give me a break. It is not to anybody's benefit, except the government who has lost its way and thinks that this is actually a benefit to Canadians.
Corey
15:32
It's also a benefit to people who don't want to buy their Christmas tree until the last minute.
Corey
15:36
got five more days. You don't have to buy your Christmas tree until December 14th.
Carter
15:40
14th. I have a strand of lights that went out on my Christmas tree, so I have to throw it away and get a new one.
Corey
15:46
That's upsetting. I think for everybody really
Carter
15:49
a whole strand i
Corey
15:50
i like how you made it personal again that's
Carter
15:53
that's what makes it that's
Carter
15:53
that's what makes these that's what makes these podcasts so good cory it's the it's
Corey
15:57
it's the vignettes it's the it's the connection but listen like let's talk the politics about it for a second here you're sitting there you're the liberals you're staring down a 20 point deficit in the polls and
Corey
16:07
and you know you got to start digging out of this hole you got to dig up
Corey
16:11
stupid right well this is wait this is is what i don't understand expensive right what
Carter
16:17
would we think like if we were in the room what would we say is the actual planet like you sell this to me what
Carter
16:24
what is the actual political benefit of this who is the audience yeah
Corey
16:29
yeah so we talked a little bit about this on one of the episodes you weren't here but this is actually a bit of my challenge with it you you end up in a situation where you are validating that the economy is really bad and people desperately need relief right and i guess the audience is people who are dealing with it being economically tough times it's kind of a carry-on of
Corey
16:51
of christia freeland's comments that you know the economies find the vibes are bad i'm paraphrasing there right but
Corey
16:58
but aren't you aren't you just kind of giving yourself like uh let them eat cake you know the emperor has no clothes kind of criticism
Corey
17:06
criticism thrown right back in your face here like oh i can't afford a house thank you ever so much for the the five percent off my christmas tree yeah
Carter
17:15
yeah i mean it's
Corey
17:16
it's just the various other things that it's
Carter
17:18
it's a 6.8 unemployment rate you
Carter
17:21
you know people are for the most part it's like 7.9
Carter
17:25
california 7.9 in calgary yeah i mean there's certain pockets as there are pockets
Carter
17:28
pockets of places where it's worse and better and the
Carter
17:32
the liberals decide to come up with a
Carter
17:35
a gst holiday not
Carter
17:37
not a gst i mean sorry not a gst holiday a gst holiday on a few things on a couple things that we may or may not need depending on who we are and i guarantee you i'm not going to notice one cent of the gst holiday even if it was even if it was targeted towards me i
Carter
17:57
i just don't think that people would notice that they weren't charged five percent on their on one of the items in their cart it
Carter
18:04
it just doesn't make any sense to me i am absolutely lost to
Corey
18:10
think about the last time you were at the grocery store think about when you went to the bakery aisle and when you purchased something did you pay gst on it i have
Carter
18:16
have no idea do you know
Corey
18:18
yeah i think the reality is a lot of items people don't do that calculation day in day out some people listening to us right now are just being like oh yeah we don't pay gst tea on groceries and they're just realizing that again for probably the first time in 20 years and that's the
Carter
18:33
the point that i think you're
Corey
18:35
but you do want well you do want some things but not necessarily you know pre-packaged goods right
Corey
18:40
seriously doubt you remember the item from item as you go you
Carter
18:43
you don't pay attention you certainly wouldn't notice a
Carter
18:46
a difference of of uh you know on on one item like it just isn't something that's going to be noticeable so for me this is an an absolute loss on the political side and it paints the government again as someone who has a government that doesn't know it doesn't have the fucking faintest idea of how to dig themselves out of trouble you
Carter
19:07
know they they criticize doug ford with his money for nothing stuff and then they come up with 250 dollars uh for certain canadians like it's just i
Carter
19:16
just do not understand what they're actually thinking about and if i was following it from new zealand i would have been sad moment for myself it would have made me feel rather pathetic that i was following this as an actual issue well
Corey
19:29
well people look people are hurting people can use relief but the challenge is a it validates that people need relief and maybe you say that's fine but then it leads to be if
Corey
19:40
if they need relief that need for relief is not going to go away in a couple of months right like you could easily make the argument that if things like this shouldn't have gst now Now they
Carter
19:48
increase the amount of federal, you know, the, the federal cutoff for income tax, right?
Carter
19:53
right? Increase it. What is it now? It's 18, $19,000, $20,000, uh,
Carter
19:58
uh, increase it to 25, increase it to 30, right?
Carter
20:02
That would actually help people that
Carter
20:04
that would actually make a difference.
Corey
20:08
Yeah. Well, and again, it's not going to draw like a big spotlight to boy
Corey
20:13
boy sure hurts to be a Canadian at this particular moment, right? Right.
Corey
20:18
Czechs aren't even here. And there's polling on this thing. I gotta say, like, it's a total dog. Like when you poll on it, Canadians are not very enthusiastic, but they see it as very political. They don't think it's going to matter much to them. This is a very expensive way to fall on your face.
Carter
20:33
face. Okay, so Corey Hogan. The
Carter
20:34
The Corey Hogan, as I like to refer to him.
Corey
20:37
That's how I describe myself,
Carter
20:38
myself, too. What is the antidote to this particular nightmare
Carter
20:43
nightmare that the liberals find themselves in? Is there a program or is there an action that they can do starting in January of 2025 that turns the whole fucking operation around?
Carter
20:58
think... Thanks for giving it the old college try there, Corey. That was really... No.
Corey
21:04
I do think that the challenge that they have a couple of challenges and we don't need to like really languish in some of them because we've talked about them so much. One is people
Corey
21:12
people just can't hear what Justin Trudeau says and they immediately take a cynical view of it and there's immediately a negative reaction, which I think you would have gotten no matter who you were on this particular item, but it's
Corey
21:24
it's not helping Justin Trudeau. That's for sure. So that's, that's problem one.
Corey
21:29
Problem two is like,
Corey
21:31
like, how many, how many of these are they going to do?
Corey
21:35
They, they do a cabinet shuffle. Doesn't work. They do an ad campaign. Doesn't work. They do a budget. Doesn't work. They drop these Christmas bonuses. Doesn't work. Like, it's just not like they're doing these throws with the hope that this will be the throw that resets things. And they're finding that the, the big reset is just, it's not working ever for them. Like, they have years at this point of being able to say, huh, big reset, not
Corey
21:59
not working so good for me, maybe try something a little bit different, right? And I actually do think that the thing that they did, as much as I really did hate it, and it's a bit of a bridge in when we want to talk about that, but when he went down to talk to Trump at Mar-a-Lago, Pierre
Corey
22:15
Pierre Polyev didn't seem to know what to do. Pierre Polyev was saying things that were not particularly on sentiment
Corey
22:20
sentiment with Canadians. As much as we have been like, this is not going to be a winning liberal strategy, I think seeming halfway competent in a world that's going increasingly mad is maybe not a terrible strategy. And maybe you've got to stop with these stupid throws and just seem like the sensible, steady elder statesperson in international politics. Might
Corey
22:42
Might not save your government, might save your dignity, might save your legacy and might actually also give the liberals a fighting chance going forward
Carter
22:49
forward yeah i mean i
Carter
22:51
kind of concur with your earlier assessment there's nothing really on the table
Corey
22:56
the rest of it was kind
Carter
22:57
kind of i mean a
Corey
22:58
a velge-esque padding of no it's
Carter
23:00
it's really nice i liked what you i liked what you tried to do i
Carter
23:02
i mean he needs a wag the dog moment right
Carter
23:05
right the u.s if the u.s did invade canada justin trudeau has a better chance of getting elected make some calls right like Like that's what we need is some sort of a – it would be actually very interesting to see if Canadians stepped up to fulfill a role in the Middle East, right? To step in and to occupy or to solidify a space, right? To send our people back to Haiti now that we've got violence again in Haiti. We've had tremendous success when we've sent Canadians to Haiti. Uh, we, we've, we've, we've stood on the world stage as UN peacekeepers and been recognized as, as one of the great countries in the world for doing those types of activities. And they're gone, right?
Carter
23:54
right? They're absolutely gone. They don't exist anymore. We don't have, um, a
Carter
23:59
a military that's seen as a, as a peacekeeper. We don't see the military that is seen as a, uh,
Carter
24:05
uh, the badass crew that i think that most canadians uh have long associated the canadian military as um we've
Carter
24:14
we've lost some of that mojo and maybe that's what he needs um because he sure as hell isn't getting it through domestic policy uh maybe international policy and and uh uh
Carter
24:26
uh appearing strong is his only is his only chance i mean we could we could occupy india that might work that
Carter
24:32
that would be good i
Corey
24:33
i i don't think we could though like that's you
Carter
24:37
make a good point could
Carter
24:38
that was just i was just riffing and that's where i came up first
Carter
24:43
first first country into my head you know he loves india well
Corey
24:48
yeah well it is a world that is on fire right now it's funny as we were talking about various issues i didn't even mention syria right and oh
Corey
24:57
on right there massive
Corey
24:59
the time you were gone i think while you were gone is when uh
Corey
25:01
uh you know israel and hezbollah came to some sort of agreement peace yeah
Corey
25:06
or like ceasefire there too
Corey
25:08
lots going on and it does seem that maybe like a longer standing states person could be of
Corey
25:15
of use to the world but i don't know i just don't know at this point if that is going to help don't
Corey
25:21
don't know if it would hurt though because nothing else he's trying right now seems like it's particularly well i
Carter
25:25
i tell you if i if i were a foreign affairs advisor to the prime minister i'd be saying you know there is an an opportunity for france canada germany to walk into the
Carter
25:35
the the role that has traditionally been held
Carter
25:38
held by the united states as the world's peacemaker um
Carter
25:42
um netanyahu is is not
Carter
25:45
not listening to anybody right now uh putin's not listening to anybody right now um you
Carter
25:52
you know haiti just turned itself inside out again i mean there's all kinds of different places where there's problems if there there was a way that justin trudeau could actually figure out a solution um
Carter
26:04
maybe no one's saying that anything would be given because we traditionally don't vote on foreign affairs
Carter
26:12
it's not like he's winning on domestic he's
Corey
26:15
he's not and i guess if your strategy let's just say you're them and you're thinking about your strategy to beat pierre poliev right yeah you're
Corey
26:23
you're You're so stuck in the mud on the stuff domestic, but you do think that there's an opportunity to
Corey
26:33
stand up to Trump, right? And actually, you know, I saw an interesting poll today, which showed, it asked the question, like, who do you think would do better on this issue, essentially standing up to Trump? And I think Pierre Polyev, 36, Justin Trudeau, 35, was the poll. I believe it was Angus Reid. I'll look it up when I get a minute here. but point being that's
Corey
26:53
that's a hell of a lot better than he does on basically any other issue right
Corey
26:56
right into outside of say who do you think would be better on climate change
Corey
27:00
maybe not bad like if you could get yourself to a bit of a fighting position on international issues make the make the core argument dealing with the united states dealing with international affairs and then hopefully when people are more receptive to your message push best to domestic in
Corey
27:15
in uh in the fall i don't know you know it's not the craziest
Carter
27:18
craziest thing it would be interesting because it's it's essentially just a variation on what we always say about you know every
Carter
27:24
every every government no one ever loses by battling up right doug
Carter
27:28
doug ford never loses by attacking justin trudeau danielle smith never loses by attacking justin trudeau could
Carter
27:33
could just justin trudeau not lose by attacking donald trump right
Carter
27:38
right say that canada is going to stand firm against the the immigration immigration roundup and, uh, you know, illegal immigrant roundup, and we will not be a dumping ground for Donald Trump's problems. Um, you know, if Donald Trump wants to do this, this is on Donald Trump's, uh, you know, he's got to come up with a solution that doesn't involve Canada or Mexico for that matter. This
Carter
27:59
This is a, uh, domestic issue for the United States, not an international issue for North America. I
Carter
28:05
I mean, it might be interesting to take that kind of role, especially with, if you got together with the president of Mexico, I mean, all of a sudden you got yourself yeah maybe
Carter
28:13
maybe some sort of something vaguely resembling a ball game um
Corey
28:17
well yeah like it would take a lot of innings to continue the metaphor to get somewhere but the reality is this does seem to be the area where Pierre Polyev at least right now seems the least adroit and so maybe there's something to that as well because he'll stumble a bit he'll take positions with Donald Trump that are against Canada like you know we have to assume he's not an idiot and he'll find ways to talk about these issues too but i as much as we've made fun of it i've started to think and as much as i don't think it's going to work long term i've started to think that might be one of the better strategies available the liberals might actually have been on to something on that particular maybe
Carter
28:54
maybe this is the ball maybe maybe it is time to shift the game right go after trump start i mean this 25 tariff that is a big i
Carter
29:04
i said to someone i don't think the americans I ran into a couple of Americans when I was in New Zealand, and
Carter
29:10
and I said, I don't think that America has figured out the cost of the tariffs to America, but
Carter
29:16
but I know that Canada has figured out the cost of the tariffs to Canada, right?
Corey
29:20
I think that's well
Carter
29:21
well put. Yeah, I think that the cost
Carter
29:24
cost of the tariffs is something that we are legitimately afraid of. And ironically, it gives you the opportunity to bring people like Scott Moe and Danielle Smith onto your side because the last thing Danielle Smith needs is a tariff of 25% on Canadian oil. Even a carve-out of oil products is still going to devastate Alberta.
Carter
29:48
That's true. There's just no way around the impact of a 25% tariff on Canadian product. We are a resource-based economy, and those resources getting 25% more expensive or conversely getting 25% less revenue,
Carter
30:08
mean, if you lower your price to remain competitive. uh
Carter
30:11
uh we've been working on getting the price of uh western canada select um up
Carter
30:17
up to the the international standard you you start suddenly getting there and all of a sudden now you got a 25 tariff i mean my god what a what a fucking cake in the teeth for scott mo and and for daniel smith yeah
Corey
30:31
yeah i mean that would be an incredible increase to what we know as the differential right like the um the the less money that we get for our product versus what you get for a barrel of WTI in Cushing, Oklahoma. And, you know, you talked a little bit about, you
Corey
30:46
you alluded to it, but I do think it's also worth talking about Trump's now, well,
Corey
30:51
well, let me put it this way. There was this joke at Mar-a-Lago about how maybe Canada should become a state, right? There was this tweet, which seemed at least in part designed to make it seem like more of a joke and
Corey
31:03
and clean up the conversation, but it was Trump, Canadian flag, looking over the mountains, seemed to be the Matterhorn in the picture but you know the intent was still pretty clear there you know it's like it's Canada you know it's Trump lots of conversation about it in
Corey
31:17
in his interview that came out yesterday he makes another flip comment about like well maybe they should become a state if they want to avoid these tariffs like do
Corey
31:27
do we need to take this at least quasi seriously at a certain point that Donald Trump seems to have it in his head that Canada should be a U.S. state Do
Carter
31:35
Do we need to take Donald Trump seriously?
Carter
31:40
because he is the most mercurial leader in the history of the United States, I would argue, and one of the most mercurial leaders of any Western democracy.
Carter
31:53
Does that mean I think that Canada is going to become the 51st state? No. No, I
Corey
31:57
mean, it's so unpopular here. Like, I don't even know if Donald
Carter
32:00
Donald Trump realizes now. But if the answer to the question is of why are you imposing these 25% tariffs, it's hurting Canada, it's hurting us, all they have to do is become the 51st state and we'd stop it. If he's using that as the answer to the question, there are enough people in the world who would go, well, that's a very good point. And
Carter
32:20
gets him out of a lot of the politics. politics no one else would be audacious enough to suggest you know what become a state you don't have to pay for the polit you know you don't have to pay the tariff right and i note i note he's not offering the same deal to mexico yeah
Corey
32:38
yeah right well you know not
Corey
32:41
not yet maybe he just wants to create super america world's biggest america i
Carter
32:46
think that he's uh a little racist cory i don't think he's going to do it yeah
Carter
32:52
yeah i think i think he's a little racist i don't i'm not 100 sure i mean it is uh on
Carter
32:58
on the one hand i'm actually kind of glad that canada's kind of lumped into this because it would have been you know like i think that uh
Carter
33:04
uh we could have a whole discussion on free trade and the and the unintended consequences of free trade um but in general company or countries trading more is better um
Carter
33:15
and we can talk about all kinds of reasons for that you
Corey
33:18
you won't hear me argue i 100 and
Carter
33:20
and so trade is good um international trade is is excellent uh and while we're at it we should reduce the provincial interprovincial trade barriers but
Carter
33:33
um i kind of like that we're lumped in with with mexico on this it would have been way better way way worse i think for the north american uh trading zone if this had been mexico you got to shape up or ship out and uh canada just got to pass i think that the the
Carter
33:54
racism of it and the
Carter
33:58
lack of kind of nuance would have been would have been problematic um
Carter
34:04
of from that liberal-minded equality
Carter
34:08
equality point of view, if that matters at all to the economy.
Corey
34:12
think it's true, but I also think we have done a pretty rapid job of saying, no, no, we're very different than Mexico. And I can't imagine very many Mexicans are super thrilled with Canada saying, not the same problem. We're different than Mexico, treat us differently. So might
Corey
34:27
might also be pulling out a few of those wounds along the way there. I think that there's the possibility that we come
Corey
34:33
come out of this with much worse relations with Mexico. And maybe that's just, you know, I'm being too self-centered on Canada right now.
Corey
34:39
now. No, but I
Carter
34:39
I think that this is where this international play needs to be made, right? Like, you got to look, if you're looking at the entire board of what's going to happen with the Trump stuff, and if you start to deal with just the trade
Carter
34:54
trade tariff, that will be a problem. Because the next thing that comes out is the, you know,
Carter
35:03
know, the international or the illegal
Carter
35:06
illegal alien roundup and deportation. And
Carter
35:10
that's going to cause a whole world to hurt.
Carter
35:13
And I have no idea how that plays. is. But
Carter
35:16
But I don't think that any
Carter
35:18
any country wants to be the dumping ground for Donald Trump's bigoted roundup of illegal aliens in the United States. It would cause absolute chaos. And I don't think that the country, I'm putting this in quotation marks, country of origin is
Carter
35:39
is going to be a
Carter
35:41
a viable location to just to to start shipping people back to i just don't know how this is going to work no
Corey
35:48
no i mean and also let's be realistic that's the world it
Corey
35:53
it doesn't work like that right like a lot of times when people flee a country they get on a plane you know it's not all border crossings in the middle of the night and a lot of people if they see this coming and
Corey
36:04
and they are illegal immigrants in the united states might start saying, maybe
Corey
36:08
maybe I got to go somewhere else. Maybe I got to drive across the border to Canada. Maybe I got to hop on a plane to France, right? Like, not everybody, for sure. And there's going to be a big economic component of it as well. But it's not as though, and I guess the point I'm trying to make is it's not as though we're hermetically sealed from this in any meaningful way. And that the choices that people in the United States being rounded up are facing are, well, either I'm still in the United States, or I go to Mexico, right?
Corey
36:33
Like, this is this kind of challenge especially at the scale the united states is talking about that is destined to spill over borders and the border it's most likely to spill over besides mexico's is
Corey
36:44
is ours you know you know and i think that's a reality that canadians should be pretty live to because we're going to be faced with a lot of very difficult you
Corey
36:53
know logistical but also moral challenges over the next i think it's the
Carter
36:56
the moral challenge it's the most you know the most interesting
Carter
37:00
potentially the worst outcome i mean if this starts happening under a hypothetically if
Carter
37:06
if this starts happening under a pierre polliev style government how
Carter
37:09
how does it unfold in that in that case because pierre polliev is still going to be dealing with the moral issue of what do we do with these um these people who've been in the united states for five years 10 years 15 years 20 years um yeah you know like these are and and to to your point i
Carter
37:28
don't think that it's going to be a whole whole bunch of people running up to the border and just crossing in an old beat
Carter
37:32
beat up jalopy or something like that i think that we're talking about people who have means who have made it i mean take for example probably the most famous uh illegal alien in the united states uh elon musk you know he he's he he
Carter
37:47
didn't start off with a with a legal citizenship in the united states he was an illegal immigrant to the united states until such time as he bought his way in And that, you know, that's a lot
Carter
37:58
lot of people. There's a lot of people who are successful in the United States that are going to be part of this quote unquote roundup as well. That to me is just a, I
Carter
38:12
just can't believe this is being considered.
Corey
38:15
I, it does seem crazy, but it does also seem like Trump is going to do a lot of the crazy things that he
Corey
38:20
he said he's going to do. And you have
Corey
38:22
have now mentioned Elon Musk. So I am, I'm contractually obligated to
Corey
38:28
I need your takes on this Trump cabinet. Like all of it's been appointed
Corey
38:32
or like claimed that it's going to be appointed over the next
Carter
38:35
next bit. I wasn't paying attention. I was in New Zealand.
Carter
38:37
Is Elon Musk in charge of something really stupid, like named after
Carter
38:43
after a meme or something like that?
Corey
38:46
Yeah, yeah, maybe. Yeah. What
Carter
38:48
Department of Governmental Efficiency? Is that what it is? Yeah,
Corey
38:52
Yeah, which was Doge for like Dogecoin. It's great. It's really good. You're a really funny guy, Elon. We all love you. Could
Carter
38:59
Could you imagine being the assistant secretary of that department?
Corey
39:04
don't think i mean i don't think it's a real department but i think your point still stands like somewhere
Carter
39:10
going to be in charge of that group
Corey
39:13
it's going to be somebody who's assigned to it in a secretariat sense it's
Corey
39:18
so you're going to be at like some dc cocktail a dinner party right you know maybe with some people who are from the smithsonian institute right and it gets to it gets to you it gets it gets to you bob and say well bob what do you what do you do well
Corey
39:35
i i work at doge yeah i uh i help i
Corey
39:39
help elon musk feel like he's got an important job the computers are actually just like painted cardboard and uh you know we just say yes sir to him a lot and then leave and hope he doesn't ask the questions and we can
Carter
39:51
one one seventh of us don't show up every other day right so he feels like he's getting some progress yeah
Corey
40:02
yeah exactly you know it's like oh man it looks tighter it looks leaner you know yeah
Carter
40:09
elon musk i don't know cabinet member no
Carter
40:11
no it's it's a it's not a cabinet level position right it's a sub cabinet level position position uh
Corey
40:17
uh i don't i mean i don't think it's a real job right now but like well we'll see how they actually start because he's He's not president yet. Here's the other thing. Like, he can say all of these things, but he's not president yet. You know, he's running purely on the strength of his kind of brand of communication. But
Carter
40:33
But the made-up jobs don't need to go through the Senate, right?
Carter
40:37
don't. Yeah, the made-up jobs don't go through the Senate.
Carter
40:39
Like, I think we can agree on that.
Corey
40:42
Yeah. Well, you know, and some of these guys will have a rough go going through the Senate.
Corey
40:49
he didn't even make it. You know, he didn't even get to the starting line. What's
Carter
40:52
What's this guy who's been accused of sexual assault that was recommended for defense? Was that?
Carter
40:57
Did he wind up pulling out? I can't remember.
Corey
40:59
Not yet. Oh, good. Or at least not as if.
Corey
41:04
But he said he'll quit drinking if they let him be in charge of all of the nuclear missiles. So we got that going on.
Carter
41:10
on. He's not even a Brett Kavanaugh, that. I like beer.
Corey
41:13
Yeah. Brett Kavanaugh. Yeah. The Hexeth guy, he's really something. something um but there's a lot of them that are pretty questionable obviously rfk being responsible for anything health care related bit weird um something like 11 billionaires have senior positions already not
Corey
41:33
not not counting donald trump or elon musk was
Carter
41:37
was trump really a billionaire did we did we cover that yeah
Corey
41:41
yeah i don't know he might even be now oh
Carter
41:44
oh yeah right now he's selling is uh fragrances you
Carter
41:50
know nothing says i'm a billionaire like trying to sell fragrances
Corey
41:54
but you know my my goal here wasn't just to talk about trump's fragrance which i for sure want to do what do you think it smells like nothing good no
Carter
42:01
no i think it smells like key largo
Corey
42:05
okay key largo or mara
Corey
42:09
is does it actually smell like yeah
Corey
42:10
yeah it smells like
Carter
42:11
like a fucking swamp
Carter
42:18
you know i did there yeah
Corey
42:19
yeah it was nice it was like it was like a spike you know you set it up for then you just
Carter
42:23
just spiked it three hits too like it was a nice it took some time i
Carter
42:27
liked it yeah thank
Carter
42:28
thank you for playing your role i
Corey
42:30
i i'm just here for the audience i'm their proxy at this particular moment i
Carter
42:34
i haven't said anything outrageous yet i feel pretty upset you
Carter
42:38
you know know i'm tired i'm exhausted i spent a day traveling i haven't said anything outrageous i
Carter
42:43
haven't got myself canceled i
Corey
42:45
don't know you don't know that like it's not like we do this live maybe something you said 30 minutes ago got you canceled could
Carter
42:53
could have been you
Corey
42:53
you don't like you're tempting fate just you know go knock wood or something when you say
Carter
42:58
every time you guys think i'm gonna get canceled i skate that's
Corey
43:02
you know what you're invincible you're unseekable that's what yeah
Corey
43:07
let's talk about this cabinet though and it's not so much about the individual people i guess what i would say is this is a cabinet full of billionaires and yes men and
Corey
43:16
and i have to ask you when you compare this cabinet to his last cabinet when you compare this approach to the last approach where
Corey
43:24
where is this all going like this guy feels like he's just gonna govern with his whole fucking ass like for yesterday he was talking basically about ignoring the 14th amendment which says you get citizenship at birth yeah
Corey
43:35
yeah he's just gonna do everything it feels like no
Carter
43:38
no i mean he's he's a racist and he's he the problem with him last time like if you were pro-trump um
Carter
43:45
um the problem with him last time was he wasn't particularly effective right
Carter
43:49
they still had obamacare they didn't find a way to undermine obamacare they they
Carter
43:53
they they they found themselves in um you know they weren't able to find the resources to build the wall they weren't able to to to get the you know the the roundup accomplished it
Corey
44:05
was a running joke that infrastructure week was announced like 20 times without actually nothing
Carter
44:10
nothing happened because government just stopped dropped enrolled right because bureaucracy has the ability for a period of time to withstand a bad government right
Carter
44:24
right and and we've seen it donald
Carter
44:27
donald trump is not the first bad governor, right?
Carter
44:29
right? And I mean, governor, not governor of a
Carter
44:32
state. So he's not the first bad one. And the bureaucracy has the ability to kind of insulate itself from those types of people, but
Carter
44:39
but they do not have the ability to insulate themselves from those types of people
Carter
44:44
And especially if people who are effective at stuff start getting appointed. And
Carter
44:48
And so it was interesting because you said billionaires and yes-men, and I'm not sure if you meant to connect those two and say that the billionaires were yes-men, or if you meant to To leave them separate. But
Carter
44:59
But my experience with people who have a lot of. It's kind of a Venn diagram. Yeah. This is not a Venn diagram. It has a circular, you know, like there's no overlap in this Venn diagram.
Carter
45:08
Billionaires and the ones that I've worked with.
Corey
45:11
Not yes men. Slightly
Corey
45:16
turns. Because they have so much money. Yeah. They've, I know. But
Carter
45:20
switch that goes off on a person that says, I have enough. and
Carter
45:24
the billionaire never has that normal switch go off so it's never enough never enough power never enough push never enough accolades never enough and and that deficiency
Carter
45:39
deficiency there's a deficiency that happens because of that switch
Carter
45:44
switch it just doesn't work for people and we see that right and i'm not going to name names like brett wilson and stuff like that i would it'd be beneath me it
Carter
45:52
would be beneath me but we've seen it we've
Carter
45:54
we've seen it with with different people in different situations and putting
Carter
46:00
putting a billionaire in charge of a government department is not going to make the government department better but the idea that that's going to be someone who just says yes right they're going to have their own agenda they're going to implement their own agenda they're used to getting their own way because
Carter
46:15
because they surround themselves with people who you know believe me any billionaire that's worth their salt has 20 people lined up to make sure they're taken care of right
Carter
46:24
right whatever they say goes because they all want to you know everybody who's around them wants a taste of the magic juice they
Carter
46:33
just want to succeed a
Carter
46:35
a tenth as much as
Carter
46:37
as the billionaires yeah has succeeded you
Corey
46:40
know my observation of of the billionaires i know is that they yeah you're absolutely right they they are very successful and there's no limit to the success that they want they just can't stop they can't help themselves but wanting to keep going forward but i would say beyond that and
Corey
46:58
and you're absolutely right also about the the yes people around them who will say okay absolutely we're going to help it but this ties to the point they
Corey
47:05
they curate a frictionless experience like when you have that kind of money i like i if you don't know people with this kind of money let me just illuminate a little bit you know rich people fly first class the
Corey
47:16
the super rich have helicopters and private jets and they have them not because they look great on instagram in fact most of the people i know like that would never put these things
Corey
47:25
social media right they do it because every minute matters to them every
Corey
47:31
every single moment is one that they want to be doing the thing they want to do and not the things they don't want to do and and And so like an example would be, and this is a real example where I'll pull off the particular billionaire. You know, if you're at a beach with a rich friend and they say, you want to go on a boat ride? You know, you'll go down and you'll get in the boat, right? And then you'll go on a boat ride and you'll go around. And isn't that cool? They own a boat and all of that.
Corey
47:56
having the same experience with somebody who's like from, you know, billionaire class, they want to go on a boat ride, they will call down, they will then walk down to that dock. And by the time they're there, the boat is ready to go. It's loaded with all of the soft drinks and all of the things you want. You're going to go, you're going to come back, you're never going to put it in. You don't have to do anything except the exact thing you want to do.
Corey
48:18
And so my point I'm trying to make is, when you have gotten so used to curating that frictionless experience, and
Corey
48:25
and when you are so used to not hearing somebody say no,
Corey
48:28
you will plow through any wall, right?
Corey
48:30
You just do not care. And there is no reason for you to care, because what is the worst case scenario for you? I
Carter
48:36
I think the frictionless idea
Carter
48:38
idea is the exact thing that you have to focus on in this, right? They will spend untold amount of money to
Carter
48:45
to avoid the bureaucracy. The bureaucracy, they don't, the super rich don't line up for customs. Customs line up to wait for the super rich.
Corey
48:56
It's true. They come to your plane when you're flying private. Yeah, I mean, it's insane.
Carter
49:00
insane. insane like i had to line up you know so many times between australia new zealand canada i had to line up so many times and and i the rich have the the the global pass right and they just go through and they're super you know they're secure and all that kind of
Corey
49:18
of yeah it's it's more efficient it's
Carter
49:20
it's more efficient but they're still lying the super rich the billionaire class forget about about it they're flying in they're landing the customs officer takes their forms and lets them go it doesn't matter they're not they're not beholden to the 800 limit that you can get like they don't give a shit like
Carter
49:41
like pay the fucking tax i don't care right
Carter
49:43
right but they don't even they're not experiencing the world that we experience and they don't experience and understand all the the different things that we go through in a day well
Corey
49:54
well and so this gets to the the two major problems with government by billionaire the first is their experience is not yours right but the second is
Corey
50:03
if you try to tell them about your experience they don't fucking care you know what you're doing you're introducing friction right they have an idea of how the world should work their entire life has validated that they are very smart and that they know how to do things and they will just do the things and they are disinterested in friction and government is
Corey
50:22
is organized friction it's designed to create these points of conflict that you can then work through and find something that works for the most people yeah
Carter
50:30
billionaires uh and yes men i'm glad we we parsed
Carter
50:34
parsed that and made sure that people understood that it was two different subsets because the billionaires are not going to be saying yes and they're they're used to a different experience and uh i don't know how this ends i mean what was his name that was the uh energy minister or the uh secretary of energy um he was the head of sr exxon uh i can't forget forgetting his name in the first trump you
Carter
51:01
you know the one who wound up right you know saying that trump was a fucking idiot or those types of things right um this is the thing that kills me billionaires
Carter
51:12
there's not like a billionaire club where they all hang out and love each other right
Carter
51:16
like they're not all flying their helicopters into uh mar
Carter
51:20
mar-a-lago right like mar-a-lago is is trump's club every other billionaire has their own club right
Carter
51:27
right it is not like they're all getting together because the sycophants have to have room to have to have room to breathe right
Carter
51:33
right and billionaires aren't sycophants that
Corey
51:36
that that's a a great great point it's
Carter
51:38
it's just not gonna happen i'm i'm i'm
Carter
51:41
i'm dying to see how this all works out i mean the good news is that um on the trip to new zealand i have most everything all lined up now so
Corey
51:50
so oh the bug out plans are really
Carter
51:52
really coming together really there that's
Corey
51:55
proud of you i'm
Carter
51:56
i'm not saying it's in new zealand i'm
Carter
51:59
i'm not saying that you
Corey
52:02
know i rick perry was his energy
Corey
52:06
yeah um the are
Corey
52:09
are you know it's well i'll just say this like they seem to have recreated a certain like american aristocracy you have a bunch of money we think you're pretty good we'll put you in the cabinet you can help run this place right like how does
Carter
52:20
does that usually end i can't remember yeah
Corey
52:23
yeah with somebody offing the king right i mean maybe metaphorically in this case but you're right i mean i
Carter
52:29
i couldn't remember how it ended thank
Carter
52:30
thank you you for reminding me it's not it's
Corey
52:32
it's not really you know it's
Corey
52:34
it's not really command and control with an aristocracy you've got a lot of people you've got to keep balanced and you've got to keep happy so well
Carter
52:39
well that's that was it'll be fascinating you know i mean the the
Carter
52:42
the king in essence was mostly managing the
Carter
52:48
know the the threat of being you know being
Carter
52:51
being deposed by his own people um
Carter
52:53
um not necessarily the people the
Carter
52:56
the the groundlings the the little people the serfs tariffs
Carter
53:00
no no no he was worried about the the dukes yeah
Corey
53:03
yeah it's not the peasant revolt that's gonna
Corey
53:05
get you in medieval times okay
Corey
53:08
okay well so we've talked about the cabinet we've talked about the tariffs we've talked about uh
Corey
53:15
uh randy bosno that was really important i'm glad one
Carter
53:18
one thing i wanted to ask you about bosno does
Carter
53:20
does he trigger yeah does that trigger the the cabinet shuffle yeah
Corey
53:25
yeah i think we've already heard that it will that there's going to be a bit of a shuffle coming up imminently for the federal government you and
Carter
53:30
and i are going to be in cabinet i
Corey
53:32
think it's a good chance it's better than zero right now i'm pretty excited about that myself yeah
Corey
53:37
i got two other things i want to talk to you about well
Corey
53:41
here as we round the 53 minute we're
Carter
53:45
i'm pretty tired we're doing good right
Carter
53:47
right like i'm pretty just all right yesterday was a 38 hour day
Corey
53:53
it's a good point