Transcript
Carter
0:00
So the fan's okay.
Corey
0:02
This is The Strategists. No.
Carter
0:07
Okay. You want to do it?
Corey
0:10
No, I don't actually. No, last time I did it, you gave me attitude about it. This
Carter
0:13
This is The Strategists. Hang on, what episode? 1814. What happened in 1814? Why is that a year that stands out to me?
Corey
0:20
Well, you were three and it probably meant a lot. Oh,
Carter
0:22
Oh, it did mean a lot when I was three. That's really kind.
Carter
0:28
I'm Corey Hogan. oh
Carter
0:30
oh no you're cory hogan i'm steven it's
Carter
0:33
i'm not with it i was sick in the last couple of days hey i
Corey
0:36
i know man and we were supposed to record two days ago and we didn't yeah
Carter
0:40
yeah and then people
Carter
0:41
wound up being stuck with uh carter and hogan yeah
Corey
0:45
yeah they did it's uh it's strategist summer though so in fact there are very few public episodes for the rest of the summer we're gonna put something on the live feed but uh mostly
Corey
0:53
mostly to say you don't get any
Corey
0:55
any more public episodes yeah works
Carter
0:56
works for me yeah
Corey
0:58
yeah i knew it would uh-huh this
Corey
1:01
this is the kind of sweet paywalled content that uh you
Corey
1:05
you know the regular people can't hear well we got some stuff to talk about we
Corey
1:08
we do need to use this time um
Corey
1:11
to talk about our professionalism on the entrance there
Carter
1:15
we can do better i
Carter
1:17
i mean no we haven't ever done better but we can do better yeah
Carter
1:22
you know zane Zane carries
Carter
1:26
I mean, not very far, but he carries us. He carries us through the intro.
Corey
1:29
It's like when you see two footsteps on the beach and then you see one. Yeah.
Corey
1:35
Yeah, it's because it's a Carter and Hogan.
Carter
1:38
of us is carrying Hogan.
Carter
1:45
you do any stampeding this week or what? I
Corey
1:47
I saw you a couple times. Yeah, a few, eh? I have passed 24 events as of this evening.
Carter
1:53
i had to stop i got to about uh 14 when i got sick so
Carter
1:58
i don't think i would have done 24 though i think i had 22 on this guy look
Corey
2:02
look i'm giving myself a generous counting i
Corey
2:05
i was at a kind of the smiling breakfast vip and regular flavor and i'm counting it as two you
Carter
2:10
you can't count that as two
Corey
2:12
two i had to be there at 7 a.m i'm counting it as two that's
Carter
2:14
that's really early did you have to sit
Carter
2:16
down in the seats uh
Corey
2:18
uh there were no seats it was standing the entire time oh
Carter
2:21
there's a group group of people who had to sit it was nasty event though
Corey
2:26
there was some feedback from our non calgary listeners that perhaps we are at this time of year a
Corey
2:31
a little too stampede century
Carter
2:35
they got to come to the city at some point
Corey
2:37
to come to the stampede they just it's just
Carter
2:39
just all stampede all the time that's why i'm leaving town tomorrow yeah
Corey
2:43
where are you going kimberly and
Corey
2:45
and what's the uh keypad that lets you get into your house uh
Carter
2:48
uh into my house yeah uh
Carter
2:51
i don't think i'm supposed to tell you that heather said heather said don't tell strangers the keypad code these
Corey
2:57
these are not strangers you had to pay six dollars to listen to this episode okay these are not strangers then
Carter
3:02
then it's four three uh
Carter
3:03
uh four three zero two okay
Corey
3:05
okay now i know
Corey
3:07
know you and i know there is a chance you actually just gave me the real code better
Carter
3:12
better than a zero better
Carter
3:13
better than a zero percent chance in
Carter
3:17
fact heather might be re-keying the lock right now yeah
Corey
3:20
yeah they might be okay
Corey
3:23
right but we got to talk about alberta politics in addition to our kind of limp openings because zane's not here and this is a good opportunity to talk about things he's too scared to talk about i
Carter
3:32
i wanted to talk to you i know but i wanted to talk to you about speeches i want to put it in context because you and i were in a number of events together you're
Carter
3:40
driving driving is this i'm gonna drive for a little bit all right here's because you and i were at a number of events together right and we heard a
Carter
3:48
a number of speeches um we were not as affected effective at getting out of the room when the speeches started as we used to be i don't
Corey
3:56
don't know what used to be my thing i hate being in a room for political i know
Carter
3:59
know and we used to be able to like just sneak out the back and we were like fantastic at it and now we both got caught and we listened to i listened to a lot of speeches this year how many speeches do you you think you listened to if you were at 20 24 many
Corey
4:12
many you know there's like there's there's kind of like political slash community stampede and then there's industry stampede yeah in my in my feeling and i was just heavy on the political community circuit this year i
Corey
4:23
i think almost every event i went to had a political speaker at some point yeah in the course of the event and
Carter
4:29
and was one of those political speakers uh danielle smith um
Corey
4:32
um i'm i a lot of them i'm sure i heard her talk and times was
Carter
4:36
was one of those political speakers not had nancy yes
Corey
4:40
yes in fact not had nancy was one of them and
Carter
4:42
and was one of those political speakers anita anand yeah
Carter
4:46
yeah i would like you to rank those three speakers uh from worst to best uh
Corey
4:53
worst for sure anand we've got to unpack her speech i actually had people talking to me about it unprompted about how bad they thought certain components of it were it wasn't good there's actually there's bigger lessons about coming into a community and how you need to engage with it there yeah
Corey
5:10
um i i would put nahed as solid number two he's very good i mean and arguably his best was better than the premier's worst so it just depends on kind of the mix that you get into right yeah but
Corey
5:23
but my god is daniel smith good at this stuff now not all her speeches some of them were over long right like when she got a lot of rope and she went like 20 30 minutes in some cases ain't
Corey
5:32
ain't nobody need that but when she was doing just the quick five minute hey i love you guys yahoo welcome to the stampede this community is really great this event's really great that that is like peak danielle it was incredible like the amount that she's better at the short speech than almost anybody i've ever seen in politics is is actually pretty
Corey
5:54
pretty wild you know like the variability is significant on that
Carter
5:58
did nenshi even provide a short speech sample yeah
Corey
6:04
yeah i well no i
Corey
6:07
i mean i would definitely say that none of his speeches that i saw were in like the short side like for a stampede speech like they were all a little bit longer than
Carter
6:16
saw daniel give a long speech that
Carter
6:19
that i thought was really good actually yeah
Corey
6:21
yeah the goa one i'm imagining the
Carter
6:22
the goa was excellent but
Carter
6:24
was speaking to her people
Carter
6:26
and uh she was speaking about her rail program uh
Corey
6:28
which i think we'll
Carter
6:29
we'll come to later in the episode but uh it was a really good speech i also had anita anand as the worst speaker of those three maybe
Corey
6:37
maybe the worst i've seen in a few years at stampede yeah
Corey
6:40
and then i do not have good things to say about that speech no
Carter
6:42
no and to put things in perspective we also saw the uh zane's mother-in-law uh left the governor of alberta speak at that event and
Corey
6:51
she did the way she like tied in her like aid to camp as you know like a whole thing about volunteerism it
Corey
6:58
spectacular good it was spectacular because uh no
Carter
7:02
no but we're not just saying that anand was the worst of three we're
Carter
7:06
we're saying that might
Carter
7:07
have been the worst speaker we've seen at
Corey
7:09
at stampede and so the mayor of calgary was there too yeah
Corey
7:14
and there were also a number of additional speakers just kind of carrying along there was a singing of the anthem that went horribly off the rails at that particular event i think that the singer finished a good four hours before the music finished but
Corey
7:30
but um yeah it happens like obviously there's not monitors i'm not actually trying to take a round out of a volunteer who was trying to sing and sing nicely just not tied to the no
Carter
7:39
no i mean why would you tie into the music why i mean set your own pace be your own person i
Corey
7:44
i will say that the other singer seemed a little bit kind of thrown by the um the racing as well yeah
Carter
7:51
yeah no the the two singer problem was definitely a problem with the music yeah it didn't
Corey
7:56
didn't go well the three body problem but the two singer problem i had
Carter
7:59
off and i was just i was just being respectful i wasn't being critical like you uh
Corey
8:04
yeah that's fair well i don't even know why i'm i'm like trying to pull this in except to say that an aunt was worse than that so why
Carter
8:11
why was she bad spend some time breaking down why you thought she was bad all
Corey
8:16
all right well i guess i'll bucket into the three things she did that really bothered me yeah one is it was so um kind
Corey
8:26
kind of shallow now listen shallow is okay for stampede but it's got to be stampede shallow it's got to be yahoo pancakes community service this was what uh what would an older version of chat gpt think that a liberal candidate was going to say right like
Corey
8:42
like it was just a lot it was like liberal bingo right like you know fairness equality all of that so that was my first problem like it was it was stumpy without substance but it was not even sort of tied to the event and kind of some of the the overall theming of like stampede is so stampede should be so easy for a political speech it's about community spirit it's about volunteerism these things write themselves right you don't need to shoehorn it in like you do with half the fucking things you say as a politician so
Corey
9:11
so that was problem one problem two is she made a comment somewhere along the lines of you know as a as a racialized woman i wasn't sure that i would be comfortable coming to stampede but you guys are actually great and
Corey
9:24
and i will say i was talking to racialized
Corey
9:26
racialized women after and they were saying what the fuck was that that was so insulting why do you think calgary literally the third most most diverse city in the country 45
Corey
9:36
45 racialized right what like it just shows that you know nothing about this community was generally this sense yeah
Carter
9:43
yeah added a racialized event at
Corey
9:45
at a racialized event too yeah that's a great point and so it just really felt like it
Corey
9:51
it was almost taking a round out of alberta like it didn't seem like being a great yeah it was punching
Carter
9:56
it was punching down without even knowing you're punching down like it's just we're gonna punch you guys for being racists even even though we're all at this event and, you know, she wasn't even aware that she did it.
Corey
10:09
Well, that was actually, that's number three. Like the inability to react to the cues of the audience when they were like not applauding to these various things and no ability to pivot or cut it short and just sort of plow through was also pretty dreadful. And I got to say, I
Corey
10:26
I don't, I've heard so much about kind of like leadership potential and it's one speech. let's not overreact to it but i know i was not the only person in the crowd thinking like i don't
Corey
10:35
don't know about that right i'm not sure that's gonna work for for for anything but but hey like one more thing i want to say people in the rest of the country who are maybe sitting there and smugly saying things like well maybe calgary does kind of suck a little or you've gotten to the stereotypes of calgary or you've you've sort of read this hype can
Corey
10:54
can can i just remind you for for like the 800th time on this podcast majority
Corey
10:58
majority of ndp seats in the city right more ndp votes than ucp votes it's a city it's a big fucking city and it votes big city ways and it has demographics that are big city demographics and you just you're taking way too basic a brush of this province and this city if your view of calgary is that and you know what okay
Corey
11:20
okay you're not a politician you're not a minister of the crown but i would expect a minister of the crown to know better than to say that feel that think that and certainly speak that speak at an event with thousands of members of the smiley community plus you know thousands of other calgarians who come well
Carter
11:37
well and if you are trying to actually win over this community i mean this is a key community for uh the potential leadership battle as it's going to be won and you know the alberta and And we're just Saskatchewan and Manitoba have got very few MPs and very many electoral votes. I'm going to call them electoral votes in
Carter
11:59
point system for that, that the liberals use. There's a tremendous number of points available if you can, you know, rally people to your aid. And she did the exact opposite. Now, that's Anita Anand and people across the nation, of course, were hanging on her every word.
Carter
12:18
across the nation but
Carter
12:20
tell me why then
Carter
12:22
then she's supposed to be the great white hope right the guy who comes in and saves everybody from the uh uh from the evil that is daniel smith and yet you've placed him second in the in the speaking category i placed him second in the speaking category uh you
Carter
12:38
know isn't this guy supposed to be the uh the guy who speaks who wins people over overusing his his rhetorical flourish uh isn't that supposed to be his game what
Carter
12:49
what went wrong i
Corey
12:50
don't know that anything went wrong i just want to start there
Corey
12:53
uh he is very very good at that he is a phenomenal communicator he is he's so quick on his feet he knows how to pull those things in i
Corey
13:01
i have expressed concerns about nahed nenshi and you know a potential leadership in the past none None of them have had to do with his ability to give a speech.
Corey
13:12
But I certainly think the premier's kind of more freewheeling tone better matched the general sentiment, again, of the events. So it was a really good, by and large, I saw a couple of not stellar ones from the premier, but none that were bad, right? It was really good matching kind of the audience's tolerance for time, audience's tolerance for politics, saying the things that made them happy, saying the things that made them laugh. saying it all of it so effortlessly and joyfully that i legitimately believe that danielle smith was thrilled to be speaking every time i saw her speak every single time
Carter
13:46
every single time she spoke it was like i am actually really happy to be here today i wearing this
Carter
13:52
that's making me sweat making me uncomfortable right but she she did come across like every time she was actually thrilled to address the audience let me let me let me have one more thing which is i think that the subject matter that nancy tended to bring to the topic or to to every table was nancy whereas danielle every time she arrived she made it about the group that she was speaking to i
Corey
14:14
i could not agree more that's that's actually a really good insight because i can think for example there was the council event which you know shout out to our pal brad levine i think was probably one of the strongest events this might have been the
Carter
14:24
the best event of the season yeah really
Corey
14:26
really there you go brad you can send our check to otter's home address uh i think you know the door code just to let yourself in put the check on the table and
Corey
14:36
she personalized it to that she said i love this event because it brings together liberals conservatives and new democrats and boy if you can find a consensus on something here you can really get stuff done by the way that's actually what i loved about the event too so it was actually something that i felt was somewhat true about the event was very
Carter
14:51
very true yeah when
Corey
14:52
when she was talking about the smiley breakfast she was talking about the food and how much she loved it there and looks forward to it each year and she was joking with some of the organizers about you know the the combinations of east meets west and all of that and every event every event she managed to find a hook that was about the audience and talk about the things that and be so excited about that hook right and that's really where it came through and i i want to be clear i said she seemed really enthused i actually believe she was legitimately enthused you and i both know danielle and danielle is a classic hey tell me me about your thing and i'll be fucking thrilled to talk to you about it which is actually we've said many times your superpower as a politician but you really see it at moments like this well
Carter
15:36
well and she did she does crush it i think though that is a spectacular uh lesson for people who are about to speak speak to your audience don't speak to yourself right
Carter
15:46
and if you're if your audience if your topic of conversation is just yourself you're not going to break through in the same way if your topic of conversation is the other person that's that's not just public speaking speaking that's
Corey
15:58
that's just like communications 101 communications
Carter
16:00
communications number one 101 what you know i remember working with joe clark every single person that he ever met he'd say what do you do what what what what do you do what what do you do uh and that was that was it i mean he would just you know immediately the conversation turned to the other person now i will say not a lot of craft there not a lot of craft right but
Carter
16:24
consistency sometimes you just hit it's
Corey
16:26
it's singles yeah it's on base performance here it is
Carter
16:28
is it's on base performance and the guy hit the single every single time uh whereas when you're talking to other politicians it immediately becomes about them and and that was i think that we i think that that's why because it's not his ability not
Carter
16:42
not had nenshi's ability is equal to if not greater than and then daniel smith's but the topic choice and the presentation style are
Carter
16:51
are are just different that enthusiasm for being there nahid's enthusiasm felt fake every time fake
Corey
16:59
can i say i don't a hundred percent agree with that but i certainly think he he did not seem as thrilled at events i don't know a single event he seemed as excited to be there as the event the premier seemed least excited to be at right
Corey
17:11
and i think that stuff does matter to kind of a lay person here but
Corey
17:14
but let's be real the stampede is definitely more danielle's circuit all other things being equal like if we just said they're all on a scale of zero to 100 a 50 on all of these politician skills who do you think is going to have a better stampede you
Corey
17:29
you you would for sure say daniel smith there's no question about that yeah
Corey
17:34
what i do think though is is kind of um maybe hidden underneath all of this too and maybe something to watch for both of them along the way is when
Corey
17:45
when you talk about communications there are there are reactive communicators and there are proactive communicators and i I believe Daniel Smith is a brilliant, reactive communicator. She hears what you're saying. She responds. It's actually spike and volley. There's a conversation. And that happens with one person. That happens with a group. She reacts to the cues of the audience. She moves forward to
Corey
18:05
to a fault sometimes, right? She hears something. She says, oh, you want to hear that I'm positive about this thing? I'm going to tell you I am, even if it's kind of a bonkers idea.
Corey
18:14
Nahid Nenshi is much more a proactive communicator. He's much more, I believe this thing, and I'm going to try to tell you in the most compelling way why you should believe this thing too there's a place for that in communications too and obviously politics has a huge place for that the stampede is much more about reactive communications but actually as we talk this out i think one of the fascinating things for the next three years is you have a master proactive communicator versus a master reactive communicator and i don't know who wins in a politician context my gut says the reactive but But it's going to be interesting to see over the next. Well, I
Carter
18:49
I mean, we have early returns. You know, Nahid Denshi, I mean, it's no secret, stomped to victory. And I think it was well costed in by the electorate that he was going to win that leadership. And we've had one public poll and I've seen one private poll that place him well behind. You know, the NDP, as led by Nahid Denshi, is about 15 points behind. mind uh the ucp as led by danielle smith and uh in calgary the the private poll i saw had them down by nine points so
Corey
19:27
was down one calgary just for people yeah again i've already said that once but that's right
Carter
19:32
right so we're seeing a a significant shift and my my question for you cory is how does the polling shift like do we did we expect a
Carter
19:42
a polling bump to land to immediately immediately land and not had nenshi to to exceed that expect you know the the place where uh Rachel notley was or is this is is a rather dramatic fall to be expected well
Corey
19:56
well first of all great humble brag about the private poll that you saw and that you have private polling data we're for sure going to talk about that yeah
Carter
20:04
yeah I'm a big deal once
Corey
20:05
once I once I hit stop on this recording here second
Corey
20:08
second of all i
Corey
20:10
think that it's fair to say without like let's not take a victory lap here but you and i sort of predicted something like that might happen especially in calgary because there
Corey
20:20
there are very mixed feelings about nahed nenshi in calgary his last term was not marked with him being super popular and
Corey
20:27
and let's let's let's you know if you don't know the ucp is running a really big campaign welcoming nahed nenshi into provincial politics just another liberal is kind of their tag right it's a picture of him with justin trudeau talks about some of the things that they perceive as his weaknesses as mayor some of them are just bullshit like he voted himself a raise this is actually a guy who gave away good chunks of his salary i i i think the ucp is making an error there and that they they felt like they really had to pad a list and get to three and two of the three are just not really true and and somewhat undermine the third yeah but the third is is true and we've talked about it here property
Corey
21:04
property taxes went up a ton over his time as mayor and that's not entirely because of him i
Corey
21:10
mean i'm not really sure we needed to build that airport tunnel to nowhere but here we are right but
Corey
21:15
but just used it the
Carter
21:15
the other day did
Corey
21:16
did you really yeah
Corey
21:19
right are you you oh yeah you were on that campaign you probably do think it's a good i actually
Carter
21:23
actually didn't think it was a good idea but
Carter
21:24
but i deferred to him fair
Corey
21:29
look it taxes didn't go go up 80 because of like one tunnel there were a lot of reasons for that not least of which is calgary's taxes were way too low you
Corey
21:39
you know to provide the services that calgarians wanted and we sort of starved city services from the 90s through well
Carter
21:45
well and we had a complete collapse in our value of the property downtown downtown property values were completely carrying uh also
Corey
21:52
also that's probably the most material point that that
Carter
21:54
that you know you had to shift all of that value onto to the residents and that's going to give a significant increase because you only have one lever right
Carter
22:03
right and if you start losing corporate taxes you're going to really suffer through a prolonged period and that's
Carter
22:10
that's that's not nenshi's fault that's the that's the system that's been created well
Corey
22:14
well and cities need to balance budgets right that's that's the law and there is just like as you said there's just like one button you can push when you're in a city because you don't have access to sales taxes you sure you can increase fees at like the leisure centers but how much money do you really think you're gonna get there yeah you can increase the cost of a business license but again how much money are you gonna get and you're gonna get an awful lot of pain for that you really can only go to the property taxes on the residential side so
Corey
22:41
so uh but we knew that that was sitting out there we knew that it was a very easy proof point for the ucp to throw at him and certainly the ucp has had an awful lot of ads making this very point in alberta
Corey
22:54
Kind of a welcome to what I actually think is a bit interesting is that the NDP has didn't a didn't foresee this B wasn't ready to hit the ground running with a let me introduce you to Nahed Nenshi the other way, because now I do think we're in a situation where the UCP is way ahead of the NDP on framing out Nahed, who is known but not like universally known in the province. Well,
Carter
23:16
Well, I think this also comes back to, you know, what happens immediately following a leadership. Are you ready to assume the reins of power? And from what I can see, that's not the case with the NDP, right? right? The NDP transfer of power has essentially been the same group that was bringing the same group that brought you the election loss in 2024, 2023 is bringing you the Nenshi shift in 2023. And except, you know, with a few senior leaders having gone, so it's even less powerful. So it's not a group of people that necessarily are, are, are going to start hitting, hitting the road, running you know like it was a um it
Carter
24:02
was a lackluster transition it has been a lackluster transition to this point and uh it appears that they think that they've got months to get ready whereas i think that that initial stain that once once that initial stain is applied to you it is super hard to scrub off yeah
Corey
24:18
yeah i mean i only have i i agree kind of conceptually with you but i i wouldn't want to overstate it and i do think that there's enough moving pieces around in the background of the ndp and i do believe that they should especially knowing like we've been joking for months on this podcast before the the ballot like that this leadership race was fucking over like it was over it was done done yeah
Corey
24:42
we were not joking like we were we were making jokes about how funny it was that zane was there but we were very clear on this they knew it too i'm gonna just say because he's not here we had breakfast with zane in in a march might have even been march if not april and we're saying to him this is fucking over what are you doing to prepare for the next thing there right
Carter
25:04
right this is is just it and we we gave him and we gave the we gave the campaign a number of pieces of advice uh about preparation and being ready for this particular moment and
Carter
25:15
and you know it's not that our advice doesn't get taken i mean we have thousands of people that listen to this podcast that don't take our advice of
Corey
25:23
of them 12s of them yeah you
Carter
25:24
you know and fuck them right like really so angry with those bastards um
Carter
25:35
truth is i've been through a bad transition right we had a really hard time on on the redford first you know the first leadership then she's first transition was really bad because you think you've
Corey
25:47
you've been through a bad transition i worked for stefan andy on my friend oh
Carter
25:51
oh my god yeah
Corey
25:52
yeah do you think it is easy to make priorities i
Corey
25:54
guess the point that we're both trying to make though is like we're not coming from a like we're so fucking smart we're coming from no we've both fucked this up before yeah
Corey
26:01
yeah this is what we we
Carter
26:03
we have fucked this up so royally that we we know the cost of fucking it up right and there is a cost i think that naidenchi is paying right now um and he's going to have to dig himself out from what looks like a 10 point hole in calgary and i i think that that's probably the hole across the province if i'm honest right because it's a 10 point hole in calgary you dig yourself out of that and a lot of that 15 points province-wide disappears you
Carter
26:31
you know it's a big number can
Corey
26:33
can i throw some so we have one public poll right you have seen private polling that reinforces that right
Corey
26:41
question for you though is are
Corey
26:43
are you at all swayed by some of what i would call kind of the counterfactuals here and the biggest one is holy shit did this guy drive like a massive crowd at the at the ndp caucus stampede breakfast on sunday and which is one of three for them 35
Carter
27:00
35 percent of calgarians really like him yeah
Carter
27:05
35 percent 35 percent of calgarians is a very big big number right like we're not talking about eight percent of the alberta party group right or four or three or two one we're talking about 35 one in three calgarians really likes nahid nenshi um that number has been relatively static so
Carter
27:26
so they will come out they will support they will show up at those events and they will give him the reinforcement that he requires but
Carter
27:35
but is that that enough steve
Corey
27:37
that means money that means volunteers door knockers it means people who are going to work on your campaign and sweat it out and go and sell memberships repeat like to their neighbors and try to get other people involved don't
Corey
27:50
like i think you have to sort of acknowledge that having an army that that is that motivated and that excited is kind of important
Corey
27:57
important you know who else draws
Carter
27:59
draws a crowd i
Carter
28:00
don't know if you're aware of this us
Carter
28:02
us danielle smith you
Carter
28:04
you know we do do also draw a crowd and by the way we're gonna do some live shows just uh i'm
Carter
28:08
i'm gonna i'm gonna trick you guys into coming to live shows we're
Carter
28:11
we're gonna make some money talking
Corey
28:13
talking about me and zane right
Carter
28:15
yeah yeah maybe annalise oh
Corey
28:18
oh that'd be nice yeah
Carter
28:19
you might come back she's
Corey
28:21
she's uh her maternity leave and replace yeah
Corey
28:26
underperformers on the pod i
Carter
28:28
i don't understand she's very dedicated to the children very
Carter
28:31
very dedicated not like you who's got so i
Corey
28:34
i run a volume game right it's just like you have enough kids and some of them will be okay
Corey
28:39
that's my general feeling
Carter
28:40
i like the way you think that's true listen um i think that nenshi is in trouble and
Carter
28:46
and i don't think it's just because nenshi's in trouble uh with the polling today but i think that nenshi's in trouble in part because of things like the nenshi nightmare train right
Carter
28:56
right Right. The Nenshi's Nightmare, the green line, the province of Alberta has has sworn not to fund it.
Carter
29:03
It's not going to happen on Daniel Smith's watch. And that makes me extremely nervous. It's a huge project for the city of Calgary. And if it doesn't get done now, I just don't think it's going to get done at all. So
Corey
29:17
So this is for our non-Calgary listeners. This is an additional train line we have.
Corey
29:21
You know, you could argue two, you could argue four right now, depending on how you want to count some of the lines that go in different directions
Corey
29:28
this one would essentially run from the north of the city to the far south almost like kind of in a north-south sense whereas the other ones kind of spider off i will
Corey
29:39
will say one of the stations is is planned to be like two blocks from my house so i'm quite keen that it exists but yeah
Corey
29:48
well like it's going to now doesn't
Carter
29:49
doesn't look like it's going to exist if we don't uh convince danielle smith that that uh the political victory of nahed nenshi's nightmare uh which you just got to admire the alliteration um you know that that political victory is hollow when you think about what the victory is for uh albertans in general uh to have this train and the other thing that really bothers me about it danielle smith is launching her own rail strategy the entire speech at the alberta government event was about uh her rail strategy yeah
Carter
30:23
rail to can rail to banff rail to canmore rail to edmonton high speed rail to edmonton regional rail all the rails except one rail project was noticeably absent that one rail project that was absent was the green line which is essential to moving about uh oh i don't know somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 000 000 calgarians um just from the south alone uh
Carter
30:47
uh around the city of calgary it is huge and it's the only way that we're going to be able to efficiently and effectively service the the southeast quadrant of the city uh with with
Carter
31:00
transit options i just don't understand what the hell she's thinking about like do you have a sense of why a
Carter
31:08
political victory at this stage would be even required like to to to beat down nahed nenshi on something as simple as an lrt
Corey
31:20
think she's making the calculation that an lrt basically only matters to you if it services you and
Corey
31:27
and it goes from the far north and that's like all ndp country right
Corey
31:32
and that's the one that's most at political jeopardy too and it goes to the deep south but it goes to the deep south into areas that actually have pretty low transit ridership this it was like this whole line at least to the south has been a bit of a like field of dreams if you build it they will come kind of theory
Corey
31:49
theory right you don't see people using the transit otherwise which
Carter
31:53
also the exact same as the west line which
Corey
31:57
which is now very very busy yeah i'm not i'm not saying that it wouldn't have people i'm saying that the people there don't currently imagine themselves as transit And so she's arguing probably that there's not an awful lot of political hit to take. The people who use transit are on the north side of the city. That's a whole other separate argument and fight
Corey
32:20
fuck those guys. Half of them don't think of themselves as transit users. The other half don't vote for us. We can make this a wedge issue and we can make Nahed Nenshi fight for this project that costs billions. We can call it Nenshi's nightmare. mayor there are legitimate challenges with the green line in terms of how it's shifted i mean even the plans in my neighborhood at one point it was supposed to be underground and then it was no we're going to take half of center street and oh we're going to actually stop it at 16th avenue none of this means anything to you if you don't live in the city except to say these changes are starting to pile on and people are saying oh do we really have this figured out and the price tag is increasing and and
Corey
32:55
and listen i don't i don't fault the politics of it for a a minute i i suspect this is probably a bit of a winner for her is it good public policy well
Corey
33:04
well come on like
Corey
33:04
like does that good
Carter
33:06
good good public policy doesn't seem to be entering into the equation i mean let's say that uh let's say that danielle did find uh religion as it were and come to come around to just uh supporting the green line because of good public policy is there a way for her to back away from her uh black and white position we are not funding nenshi's nightmare how would how would how
Carter
33:26
would a cory hogan government get around that kind of black and white uh statement that's
Corey
33:32
that's easy enough it's already had you know slight route modifications and whatnot you just say we fixed it it's no longer nancy's nightmare it's danielle's dream right this is oh that's
Corey
33:42
sweet yeah this is now the better lrt that makes sense you know it's a common sense rail solution that calgarians really want and by the way we've also fixed it so that it integrates with this big rail network that we've created so it's not just trains to nowhere which is what naia nancy wanted
Corey
33:58
what a loser oh
Carter
34:00
yeah i mean and you know what's amazing i can absolutely see that happening
Carter
34:05
right we'll just we'll make it we'll do this thing here we'll do this thing here and then it's not his green line anymore it's danielle's green line and away we go i just hope that the things it's
Corey
34:15
it's not the green line anymore no
Corey
34:17
maybe it's now the blue line well i guess
Carter
34:19
guess well i guess we already got a blue line we got a blue line a red line maybe it's a yellow line there
Corey
34:23
there you go yeah
Carter
34:23
yeah the yellow line strong
Corey
34:24
strong and free line strong
Corey
34:26
strong and free line oh
Carter
34:28
and free line that's what we're going to call it i'm writing that down actually because that's fucking brilliant we're going to create the strong and free line oh
Carter
34:35
oh my god cory that's excellent that's that's really good stuff uh hey listen now that we've done all the good stuff um yeah quick
Carter
34:43
quick question for you uh joe biden is he still alive uh
Corey
34:49
uh i i don't know it kind of feels like his team is his weekend at bernie's right
Carter
34:54
yeah i mean it okay so let me let me rephrase it and perhaps a little bit more politically astutely is he politically still alive oh
Corey
35:01
oh no no he's in trouble it's been interesting to watch uh all of this here's my i've i've had this conversation with a lot of people over the past few days because one of the things about stampede is you just talk to people right yep
Corey
35:14
yep here's my feeling i
Corey
35:16
i think he's politically in in deep deep trouble because i don't believe that this was just one bad debate i i think that the actions of his team and him since tell me this is not one bad debate because if this was just one bad debate we
Corey
35:31
we both know what the strategy would have been all of the politicians in congress know what the strategy would be get joe out there fucking everywhere talking to everyone showing how sharp he is showing how good he is showing how he hasn't changed that hasn't happened instead we've seen a couple of teleprompter speeches and we've seen some pretty underwhelming interviews that we've also got reporting like the questions were sent in advance that
Corey
35:56
doesn't sound like somebody who is actually able able to show me that he's in command of things here so i guess the point i'm trying to make is it
Corey
36:06
it seems to be real and
Corey
36:08
and if it's real and if people are saying prove to me it's not real and if you can't prove to me it's not real we got a problem here yeah
Corey
36:15
you got a problem here so
Carter
36:16
so what you're saying is that his debate performance was worse than anita and nand is that what i'm is that
Carter
36:22
that what i'm supposed to understand yeah
Corey
36:24
yeah well i actually do believe that it was worse than anita and nand yes i'll give her that so
Carter
36:29
so have we spoken about uh the trump uh immunity decision yeah
Carter
36:35
yeah i think so yeah i think we did that because i probably blocked it out because i'm so fucking angry um
Carter
36:40
um i'm angry about biden and i'm angry about trump and i'm angry
Corey
36:44
angry about the supreme
Corey
36:46
well tell me why you're are angry about biden i'm
Carter
36:48
i'm angry about biden because you know let's let's let's assume a hypothetical let's assume that you've been in power yeah and and you've been in power not just for uh four years but you were also like in power for longer than four years yeah
Carter
37:02
and let's assume that all
Carter
37:05
all the polling shows that there are things about you that the general population of the country that you rule has decided that they no longer like right you are pulling behind in every every poll for three years, right? Two years. In fact, you haven't won a majority in any election yet, right? You haven't won a majority in any election since the first elections you were involved in, right? Let's assume that that type of a person existed. Wouldn't it be imperative that that type of a leader look at themselves and say, how do I get out of this situation before I I go down to defeat. Like, isn't it this idea that there is a good defeat against the candidates that we're facing in these types of elections?
Carter
37:50
Isn't it time that we started to say, OK, we
Carter
37:54
we need these leaders out of the way so that we can start putting better candidates up in the window? And the general population will come to know and adore them in the short period of time. you know in the 15 months between now and the next federal oh I'm sorry I
Carter
38:13
was doing so well too oh yeah I blew that good I
Corey
38:17
I really liked that did you thank you you're
Carter
38:20
you're welcome was nice
Corey
38:21
nice what do you think
Carter
38:26
you've told me several times and you think he's gonna step down I
Corey
38:29
I think that it justify
Carter
38:30
justify yourself justify your existence it's
Corey
38:33
it's not likely that he's going to be able to do the thing that makes it look like everything's fine like that we were all mistaken about it and so i don't i mean he can just force the question
Corey
38:44
question i guess he can just run through the convention he can be
Corey
38:48
be mediocre at that and he can plow through and he can just continue to shed congress people until ultimately they say it's too late we've all got to get back behind team biden and then they'll all
Corey
38:57
all make these kind of like you
Corey
39:00
you know 1984 style two plus two is five style uh uh he's great he's i've never actually seen him more vigorous he beat me in golf yesterday by seven strokes seven strokes
Carter
39:11
strokes yeah it's gonna
Corey
39:13
gonna be all of that shit cheat
Carter
39:14
cheat up from the pros man teed up from the pro but
Corey
39:18
he still loses in that scenario and he brings his party down with him i i think one of the things that uh probably
Corey
39:23
probably tells us everything we need to know about this and i think i might have mentioned this last time but donald
Corey
39:28
donald trump is not exactly going very hard on joe biden right now he seems to be very concerned that joe biden's about to be replaced he
Carter
39:35
he seems to be the most quiet i've ever seen donald trump yeah
Corey
39:39
right and when enough people started calling that out then he made a couple of comments about laughing kamala harris right and yeah
Corey
39:46
all of that that's the new nickname for kamala by the way that's
Corey
39:51
i just it seems so half-hearted i don't really buy it i know he wants joe biden to be candidate and
Corey
39:57
so that makes me think that either he's wrong i can understand why everybody would think that given donald
Corey
40:06
or the democrats are wrong who are standing with joe biden and saying he's our best chance to beat donald trump donald trump certainly does not think
Corey
40:14
that uh joe biden is the best chance to beat donald trump no
Corey
40:19
i think donald trump's right on on this one yeah
Carter
40:21
yeah i think that uh the
Carter
40:23
the polling has you know you were the one who always was saying in in on the podcast uh biden's too old biden's too old biden's too old and uh so
Carter
40:33
so this is your fault as
Corey
40:34
as my victory lap i think hey
Corey
40:36
hey listen can we be real hey audience listen up can
Corey
40:39
can we be real turn up the volume okay
Corey
40:42
we all get old and we all die and along the way things break and we're not as good at things as we used to be. That's just life. That is absolutely life. And there's actually no shame in it. That is the arc that we are all on. It is going to happen to literally every single one of us if we're lucky enough to get old. I
Corey
41:00
I guess we might not even get old. We will all die.
Corey
41:04
Joe Biden, you are going to die. It's okay. It's okay that you are not as good at this as you were four years ago. It doesn't mean you've somehow failed as a politician. It means you are a human human being who has hit the limits of the human lifespan because you are 81 years old. And yes, you could live to 90. Yes, you could live to 100. Yes, you could live to 110.
Corey
41:24
But things break, you get old, we all do. And there's no shame in that. And I think that one of the things that's sort of frustrating me along the way here is it seems almost like he's indignant that people are suggesting that
Corey
41:36
that he might be declining in certain ways. It happens to all of us. It happens. And And and I think that like the absolute denial that so many in the Democratic Party are bringing into this is
Corey
41:47
is not healthy and is actually a little concerning in in like eight different ways. Yeah. We just got to make peace with this.
Carter
41:55
Well, I think, you know, first of all, that hit a little close to home. So fuck off.
Carter
42:03
But secondly, I mean, how uplifting. Yeah, we're all going to die. That's what I'm here
Corey
42:11
we'll just die a little bit sooner if donald trump wins so could you kind of do us all i think we're gonna
Carter
42:15
gonna die a little bit sooner if donald trump loses which is ironic uh but i still don't want to win well
Corey
42:22
well that was uplifting well
Carter
42:23
well like you know this i've got the by the way by the way everybody who listened to the bug out stuff they all want it for free they all want it for free you fucking idiots like you think that we're gonna give you something for free in the bug out stuff because we don't even want you to survive like there's only going to be a few people who make it and i don't
Carter
42:43
don't need people who are tougher and stronger and younger and fitter as cory has indicated i'm close to death thanks cory made me feel good about myself uh
Carter
42:53
uh especially coming off of three days of being sick wow you know that's fantastic i
Carter
43:01
i don't know cory i'm i
Carter
43:04
i'd like to tell you this episode has not brought me up very much it
Corey
43:07
it is the human experience that's
Corey
43:09
that's what can i say that's
Carter
43:10
that's all i have to say all
Carter
43:15
yeah i mean that was fun um you're going anywhere this weekend i
Corey
43:20
got another stampede event do
Carter
43:21
do you really i
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