Episode 1035: Handshake Deals

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to the strategist episode 1035. I'm your host Annalise Klingbeil and with you as always, Stephen Carter and Corey Hogan. Well,

Carter 0:10

best one. That was your best one for sure.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

sure. It was smoother because you didn't count me in. It was all Corey. Look at the flow Corey and I have together.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

We have flow Carter. You just

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just grew it up. Yeah,

Carter 0:24

Yeah, I blew it.

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Carter 0:28

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Corey 0:39

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Corey 0:58

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Carter 1:12

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Corey 1:23

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Corey 1:40

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Carter 1:43

That was all part of

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unlimited joke budget. We ran our own polls. Yeah.

Corey 1:49

There's a lot going on.

Carter 1:50

Now we have to piggyback

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piggyback on David Coletto.

Carter 1:53

You know, he put out more numbers today. He DM'd them too. They're very good. They're

SPEAKER_00 1:59

It sounds like you guys need more Patreons. That's what you're saying. No, no. Because now we just take

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Because we've got. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you still need more Patreons. Well, because Corey's got all those children

Carter 2:08

children and I've got debt. So that's why we do that now.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Yeah. But if you had more Patreons, there would be more cash. That's

Carter 2:16

That's true. We went through this conversation early and now you're making this mistake that I made the first time. You can't call them Patreons. It's Patreon. What are they

Corey 2:23

Patreons. Patreon's the service. Oh, Patreons. Patreons. I've

SPEAKER_00 2:28

Patreons the whole time. I

Corey 2:31

It's okay. They like it. You're a reporter.

Carter 2:32

reporter. You're supposed to be good with the language, right? Like you're a communicator. I'm

SPEAKER_00 2:35

I'm actually quite bad at pronunciation, which is a sign of an intelligent person, because it means you learned to speak by reading, not by hearing. Oh,

Corey 2:44

Oh, interesting how you've managed to turn that failing of yours

SPEAKER_00 2:47

yours into a real success.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Both my husband and my business partner make a lot of fun of my pronunciation, and that's always my comeback, because I learned those words by reading them, not hearing them. In

Carter 2:59

In other words, you exist outside

Carter 3:00

of society. Let's move on.

Carter 3:02

Let's do a first.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Yeah, okay. Okay, we're jumping into our first segment. It's called The Handshake. Basically, Justin Trudeau and Daniel Smith, they met this week in Ottawa for the first time, and they shook hands. It went viral. Today, actually, Smith talked to reporters, and when she entered the media availability, she shook all of their hands. It was quite nice. When asked today about her handshake with the prime minister, her she said she had actually shaken his hand before media were allowed in the room and she was caught by surprise when he reached out again in front of the cameras uh let's jump into it cory first of all how many times have you watched the handshake oh

Corey 3:48

man you know and it's it's not even like it's just a conservative politician thing it's like alberta premiers feel like they can't look too eager to shake justin trudeau's hand it's just kind of the most small ball stuff And it blows my mind, the conversations that exist around the periphery, where they will say, okay, well, for cameras, what are you going to do? How are you going to show? Like, they're all trying to hit a line of not looking like jerks, but also showing that they're not particularly pleased with the Prime Minister. It's wild. wild it's one of these small things in politics that this you know budget shoe uh photo ops there's a few of these things where you're like how much effort goes into this relative to the output but you know it's an Alberta thing Carter

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Carter you've been in those rooms budget shoes a good one handshakes like how how much time of a premier's time is spent practicing like that handshake well

Carter 4:45

well when i was beforehand yeah i mean when i was when i do politics none shake the person's hand you know like the but

SPEAKER_00 4:53

but aren't aren't you like the stage guy who cares i'm all about the staging visuals and stuff i'm all about is the handshake not part of that yeah shake

Carter 5:00

shake the person's hand if you want to look like you're the dominant person then hold on to the handshake a little longer if you want to look like you're weak then try and get let your hand go um you know danielle put her hand forward and pulled her hand back i'm not sure how catching someone off guard handshake is the is the move of politics there is a great great opening uh chapter about the political handshake in a book called primary colors by anonymous who turned out to be joe klein and it is about how a politician if you want to be successful has to master the art of the handshake and not once in that entire chapter talking about handshakes did i ever come up with with the half handshake turning into a limp fist or limp fish handshake. That was just the worst thing in the history of politics. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Here's a question, though. Is this a dude thing? Because I'll tell you a little story. When I was like a young reporter,

SPEAKER_00 5:58

old men all the time would compliment me on my handshake. Like they'd be like, man, that's a firm handshake. What a good handshake. And I was like, man, these guys are such weirdos. like is this is is the firm handshake a dude thing and like an old okay

Carter 6:12

okay dude first of all on behalf of all the old white men can i jump in on this yeah

Corey 6:16

yeah you go ahead this is your this is your wheel this is not something

Carter 6:19

something that we should have said to you we

Carter 6:21

we should have not acknowledged i'm

SPEAKER_00 6:23

i'm not saying you said it to me but

SPEAKER_00 6:24

but i but i'm saying is that is that you're talking about like how a firm handshake and it's in this book and it's really important in politics and i'm saying is that more of like an old school thing it's

Carter 6:32

it's it's or a dude thing it's not a dude well yeah i think it is a dude thing but i think that it's an old school uh performance thing i think that people did evaluate you on you on the quality of your handshake um at one point and uh i don't think you're being evaluated on the quality of your handshake now but i think that you're being a quality you know evaluated if your handshake shit and that's what danielle's was it was just ridiculous so

SPEAKER_00 6:56

so cory do you think it was like was this intentional did she practice with her staff beforehand of how to like you know not firmly shake his hand so it doesn't look like she likes Yeah,

Corey 7:06

so I 100% believe she would have, at least in passing, because it has been a thing with other premiers. You had a smiling photo of Rachel Notley shaking Justin Trudeau's hand on a billboard on Highway 2 forever. Highway 2 is the highway between Calgary and Edmonton for our non-Alberta listeners here. and um of course then we saw jason kenney with his very dramatic kind of scowl before he begrudgingly reaches out hand handshake when those two first met and there was obviously some theater involved there some thought into what was going on uh

Corey 7:40

uh there's no way this was not contemplated the idea even if you don't want to talk about it in the context of a handshake but for sure it was contemplated in the context of a handshake they said this is going to be the media's first shot of you with the prime minister you can't look too happy you can't like they had a conversation about what tone she was supposed to convey if they didn't that's almost political malpractice because they knew that was going to be a moment but but

Corey 8:06

but but she wasn't surprised yeah there's no way she was surprised but

Carter 8:10

but the tone can be conveyed through so many different other ways of using body language there can be a stiffness we've we've seen international leaders leaders shake each other's hands, right? And the international leader, the reluctant handshake is one of the required elements of international leadership. You still have to shake the person's hand, but you do not have to be happy about it. It's like a forced handshake between the leaders and, you know, if Joe Biden goes to see Xi in China in the next couple of weeks after the spy balloon, I'll tell you something, there would be a really cold handshake between those two. You don't have to not

Carter 8:47

not shake hands. You simply have to make sure that the handshake shows

Carter 8:52

the right type of energy and the right type of stagecraft. And this didn't show any particular stagecraft at all because the only message that we got out of it was this is a woman who's not prepared to work with Justin Trudeau. And I'm not sure that that's what you're supposed to be sending when you're taking billions of dollars out of his pocket for health care. like it just it

Carter 9:16

it it sent the wrong message at the wrong time so

SPEAKER_00 9:19

so carter you don't buy the her explanation today that um she was caught up caught by surprise when he reached out in front of the camera if you're

Carter 9:26

you're caught by surprise your hands by your side right

Carter 9:29

right if you're you know like how many people are caught up by surprise shaking hands like sure in the middle of the pandemic we might have been caught off but oh my god he tried to shake my hand he's not reaching out and touching your elbow that would be surprising oh my god he reached out and touched my elbow what the fuck right what this is this is reaching out and giving a handshake it is the most natural politicians move in the you know in the movement dictionary for politicians okay

SPEAKER_00 9:58

okay but what did you think of her shaking uh reporter's hands today before she started speaking that

Carter 10:03

that really annoyed me because it was really good um that

Carter 10:06

that was really good i mean taking a negative and turning it into to a positive really well done uh

Corey 10:12

uh you know i i

SPEAKER_00 10:13

think that's her or is that is that her team is that like her being you know savvy enough with the media having been in it and such to know hey they're gonna get they're gonna get this and they're gonna video it and they're gonna put it out there or is that someone around her advising her i

Carter 10:29

think that that's all her cory what do you think i mean i think it's it's all her i

Corey 10:33

i actually don't but i also don't think it was a particularly good move uh once again it's you know

Corey 10:40

know i don't know why she would want to elevate it in some ways i think that this is a foundational problem they've been overthinking this fucking handshake from day one you

Corey 10:48

you were right steven like they should have just shook the guy's hand like stone faced two pumps sit down i'm premier that's going to get down to business and talk to this person i'm not here to play fucking games right and then uh when the handshake became a big thing uh i wouldn't have made more light on it and more conversation and elevated it and actually frankly just reminded people she knows how to shake people's fucking hands because she's a politician i would have just gone up and when the first question was handshakes be like yeah bad handshake not what i'm here to talk about and i would have just diminished it in that sense like i don't i don't understand this handshake obsession of hers you know like now here we are talking about the handshake and i'm okay with that because i enjoy enjoy deconstructing these things but i think they overthought it on the lead in and i think they overthought it on the lead out carter

SPEAKER_00 11:38

carter wanted to do a whole episode on the headshaker

Corey 11:41

headshaker oh i know we all i was i was down i mean i wanted to do zapruder film style just like shot by shot yeah

Carter 11:46

yeah shot by shot like when she reaches it forward and then she sees what she's doing because it's instinctual here's here's why it's instinct you're

Corey 11:55

forward you're 100 right instinct

Carter 11:57

instinct then then she catches herself and goes fuck i'm not supposed to and she starts to pull it back but trudeau those not you know god do given that he knows you know he snaps out with the hand and he's like fuck you grabs onto her hand and then it's the dead fish handshake where it's kind of like if he kisses my finger if he kisses my hand it shall be fine but you know instead it's a dead fish and he's holding on to it and he's not letting go because he's done the handshake properly it was pretty fantastic i mean he did great he did fantastic when presented with someone who is reluctant to shake your hand he managed it just about perfectly but for me that reach forward you know just shows you that everything that she's saying today is not true because she knew the the her instincts were kicking in and her instinct was shake the guy's damn hand because that's what we do we go into all kinds of rooms with all kinds of people that we don't necessarily necessarily like and we shake their hands cory and i saw each other today had lunch together you know what i did shook his fucking hand don't like the guy don't want to shake his hand but i did it anyway no

SPEAKER_00 13:03

no he's he's your friend uh carter and those are hard to come by are they not not

Carter 13:09

not for me i just make friends so easily i mean talk

SPEAKER_00 13:12

talk to your parents about that uh uh

SPEAKER_00 13:17

fuck was that talk to your parents about that it

SPEAKER_00 13:22

it just has to do with the story you told me you can you can tell the audience right holy shit

Carter 13:26

shit no we don't we don't share

SPEAKER_00 13:29

shit red he is red right now carter how many times have you actually watched the handshake oh

Carter 13:35

oh i would probably 100 125 times because

SPEAKER_00 13:40

or cory cory how many times have you watched it i've

Corey 13:42

i've i've I've watched it maybe all the way through 10 times, but I've definitely dwelled on like individual moments in the handshake. And the end is the best one. You know, that limp hand that Stephen's talking about, it almost looks like it's like in a fist and he's holding onto her fist. And the way she's looking at it, you can tell that her idea of recovery was, well, now I just need to look very unhappy about this. Right. Right. And so it's almost like this overcorrection of her face to be just a downright scowl about, you know, having to shake this person's hand. Meanwhile, Justin Trudeau has this giant grin on his face and he doesn't it's not one of those like fake smiles. I wouldn't describe it that way. Like you can see it's also in his eyes a little bit, but there's a certain pain that radiates through like, oh, my God, I can't believe this is what's going on right now. So

Carter 14:33

amazing. You know what it is?

Carter 14:34

It's that awkward uncle that does the I got your nose joke. It's the exact same face.

Corey 14:40

It is the same face.

Carter 14:42

It's the exact same face.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

I've seen that face. It's that face. Okay. I think 10 minutes on the handshake is good. I don't know how we would have done more on the handshake.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

So let's talk about why they were shaking hands. One of the reasons why they're meeting is, and let's talk about this new federal healthcare deal. So Trudeau has pitched a 10-year deal. that increases funding to provinces and territories it's 46 billion in new funding i believe um it's a lot less than what premiers demanded and then there will be separate talks with each each of the provinces and territories to kind of work out specific agreements of what works for them um cory let's start with you what are your thoughts on this strategy from trudeau to kind of frame it that way and have each province and territory come up with their own agreement um

Corey 15:28

um you know i Part of me thinks it's not a bad strategy. Part of me thinks it's a terrible strategy. The part that thinks is, let me make the case for that. Yeah, let me take the case for it's not a bad strategy.

Corey 15:39

There's this immediate moment of crisis, right? This idea that healthcare is in a challenging place. The premiers were certainly elevating that argument going through. And so he gave a fairly nominal amount of money when you consider the size and scale of Canadian healthcare with no strings attached. hatched and then talked about money on the table to make deals with the premier set out a couple of foundations like it's got to be net new right we've got to get more money into the health care system it can't be something where the feds increase the transfers in the provinces reduce in other places um and so that seems okay to me and it follows a model that was successful to him with child care right negotiate one by one pick off the provinces have the provinces that haven't made a deal yet, say, I really want that money. Why have you not gotten that money yet? Creates pressure on the premiers from their populations to get a deal with the feds. So that all kind of makes sense to me.

Corey 16:34

The thing that I think is potentially going to be a giant fucking challenge for him is he now has to negotiate all of these individual deals on healthcare. And it's not quite like, there are some very different dynamics at play than childcare. And I'm not quite sure how how they're going to play out but the reality is as much as there's rhetoric around alberta being this like right-wing health care universe that's not the case there are provinces with far more private health care than alberta top of that list is quebec right

Corey 17:05

right and so now you're going to be in a weird situation where you either strike a deal with quebec that allows a certain amount of

Corey 17:11

of private health care you're you're what

Corey 17:13

what you're going to then allow it in alberta like you have some weird dominoes falling right if you make a deal with quebec first you're going to have to accept a certain amount of private health care perhaps

Corey 17:21

perhaps even a show of it in a deal with danielle smith or frankly even a deal with uh eb in bc because bc has some more private influences too though eb is trying to move those out of the system on

Corey 17:34

on the flip side if you get a deal with alberta first you

Corey 17:38

you might have a weird dynamic with quebec because uh and then in turn with alberta because alberta gets a deal there's money there quebec gets a deal that allows more privatization going to just inflame the Alberta stuff? You know, there's a lot of dangerous dynamics now as a result of having to do these one-off negotiations rather than just saying,

Corey 17:58

we're the federal government, this is the money, these are the strings, see you later. We'll see you in 20 years. And by 20 years, I mean five, when this becomes a big thing again.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Carter, what's your take on strategy by strategy?

Carter 18:11

Well, I don't disagree with what Corey's saying, but I'll offer an alternative view, and that is that trudeau

Carter 18:17

trudeau owned the week right like he he owned the week he was able to get you know 46 billion dollars may not be a lot of money in the overall scheme of how much money is spent in health care uh and i can't i actually don't know that total uh cory do you have it like i'm guessing it's got to be like the overall

Corey 18:35

yeah the overall spend yeah

Corey 18:37

the overall spend by the feds is going to be just under 200 billion yeah

Carter 18:42

yeah i mean billions and billions of dollars are spent in this category so you know it's not a staggering increase but it's also not an inconsequential increase um he just owned the the he owned the the week he it was all on his terms uh you know the the premiers put up a little bit of a squabble but it wasn't much i mean outside of the outside of the handshake there wasn't much coming out of that meeting except the messaging that the federal government wanted. So in the overall scheme of things, that was a very well-executed week of communications for Trudeau. Now, Corey's position is that that may buy problems

Carter 19:27

problems later down the road. That may be. I expect that Corey's probably correct on that. There are problems down the road that Trudeau is going to have to face and not necessarily easy solutions to those problems.

Carter 19:44

But that's a future Trudeau problem, not a current Trudeau problem. And, you know, that's OK, I think. I think it's OK for him to be in that space.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Well, what about what about the timing? Like, I mean, with the daycare deal, we saw certain provinces getting a deal while others didn't. And then you have people in Alberta being like, well, hey, you

SPEAKER_00 20:03

you know, costs are cheaper in B.C., costs are cheaper, you know, over here. Like, what are we doing? What about the play here, the timing with like Alberta going into an election soon and health care being I mean, we saw new polling from Abacus today. Health care and cost of living are the top issues. Like what what position does this put Smith in in terms of having to make a deal with Trudeau?

Carter 20:28

Well, I mean, I think it could go either way. and I think that you know if you assign Corey one side of that to talk you know Corey make a case that that this is uh you know that this is bad for Trudeau he could make a case that it's bad for Trudeau and if you ask me to make a case that it was bad for Danielle I could make a case that it's bad for Danielle I do think that the good side you know the better upside is with Trudeau he doesn't have to face an election right now right I think the pressure is going to be on Danielle Smith to figure out how to get a deal, to show that she can get a deal with Trudeau. And my bet, my money would be on this is worse for Trudeau, this is worse for Smith than it is for Trudeau. And Trudeau is just going to be waiting and waiting in politics. If you have the patience to wait in politics, it's often very, very powerful. Personally, I've never had the patience to wait in politics, but for those who've tried it, I'm told it's quite, quite powerful.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Corey, do you agree with that, that it's worse for Smith than it is for Trudeau?

Corey 21:29

I'm not really sure I do. And it's simply for two reasons. One is it's not Danielle Smith versus Justin Trudeau in May in the spring election. It's Danielle Smith versus Rachel Notley. You were just talking about that abacus polling that showed health care as one of the two top issues in Alberta. And it's one that voters give the NDP a huge lead on in terms of the support. most of the list that abacus pulled on the ucp has the edge now they asked about the economy in about 12 i'm exaggerating but in a few different ways right yeah but we can tell that they generally trust they being albertans generally trust the new democrats on health care on education on uh trying to deal with like equity gaps and and so that to me is ground that the ndp want to be on right which ultimately means if the salience of those issues rises it assists the NDP if the salience of those issues lowers and

Corey 22:27

other issues take their place it hurts the NDP so a deal that makes Albertans less anxious about health care allows Danielle Smith to say okay we're starting to solve the problem here thanks

Corey 22:38

thanks to me no but you don't even need the thanks to me lowering

Corey 22:42

lowering the salience of health care I

Corey 22:44

I don't know how that hurts Danielle Smith and I don't know how that That helps Rachel Notley. I actually think the more health care is challenged, the better off it is for the NDP.

Carter 22:53

But that's assuming they get the deal.

Carter 22:55

What I'm saying is I don't think they're going to get the deal. I think that Danielle's going to really struggle to get the deal before the election. I mean, if I were the liberals, I wouldn't even schedule the meeting until,

Carter 23:07

until, you know, well, there's lots going on. You know, we've had to rewrite our whole just transition positioning. As soon as we're done that, we'll get back to you on when we can have a conversation about health care in the province of Alberta. But right now, we're really tied up with making sure that we meet all your other demands on the just transition. See you sometime in June.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

But Carter, does that not give Smith like another reason to hate on the feds? Like, hey, Alberta, I know health care is important to you. I'm trying to get this deal sorted out and they're not meeting with me. Well,

Carter 23:40

Well, I think that you can probably play it a couple of different ways. Right. Like, I think that, you know, if you're Smith, there's a way of making that, you know,

Carter 23:49

know, a negative against Trudeau. But I also think that Trudeau can punch back on it. So, you know, I think that Trudeau is going to be in a pretty good spot with that. And I think that Corey's point, too, is correct that, you know, this is Notley's. Well, if Notley keeps the health care pressure on, it could be very well played to Notley's strength instead of it coming actually back and hurting her. So I think that this

Carter 24:16

this could be the feds helping Notley indirectly quite a bit.

Corey 24:23

So the scenario you just described, Stephen, right? Or, you know, that we were just talking about where

Corey 24:30

where Daniel Smith stands up, you know, there's no deal, right? But Daniel Smith is standing up and perhaps hating on the feds and talking about, well, we don't have this deal yet. at like i don't think standing up to the feds was on that list on abacus right like who's who's better at standing up to the federal government and the ucp went on that but it was not a particularly salient issue relative to health care and affordability so that would be almost a trap for the ucp if they were saying oh those damn feds i can't get a health care deal because those feds sucks those feds are so bad because you're just talking about health care which helps not lee not smith so that would be a trap i don't think daniel smith's going to walk into i don't think she's foolish enough to she will either get a deal or she will stop talking about federal relations as it pertains to health care she'll talk about it as it pertains to economic activity she'll talk about pipelines she'll talk about oil and the transitioning of the economy because she knows that strong ground for her not not health care right i mean that's that's it's as simple as that for me yeah

Carter 25:31

yeah but the other side of the equation is you don't get to control all of the talking points all the time you

Carter 25:36

you know danielle smith is one person in this equation the other person in this equation is going to be Rachel Notley. And Rachel Notley will be banging on the drums saying, I can get the deal. I can get the deal on health care. And more importantly, not only can I get the deal for health care, I've got a plan for health care. And what's your plan,

Carter 25:53

Danielle? Well, I don't have a plan because I don't really care about health care. I said I was going to revitalize the entire system within 90 days. It's now been, what, 130 days? We haven't seen any revitalization in health care what's what's actually going on and i think that that's where danielle can actually get really hung up on this health care issue she's promised significant change she's delivered exactly zero and now she can't even now she can't even get free money from the feds especially if the other provinces start delivering free money from the feds like this could be a real problem for her carter

SPEAKER_00 26:30

carter let's say um let's pretend let's say you're advising the ndp on like what they do right now and you mentioned it a little bit calls

Carter 26:38

calls like all the time they think i am amazing in the yeah no

SPEAKER_00 26:43

no but let's let's let's let's yeah let's pretend you're advising okay let's pretend you're giving them i don't is this a episode for our patrons

SPEAKER_00 26:58

let's say let's say there's some nd peers who are paying you know six dollars ten dollars maybe even 20 to listen right now you're giving out your free advice it's

Carter 27:05

it's rachel she's paying okay she's paying six dollars lowest

Carter 27:09

lowest possible price she could pay she's listening right now

SPEAKER_00 27:13

now she's paying six dollars she's listening she's giving her they're

Carter 27:16

they're in the car giving

Carter 27:18

she's swearing going to the mountain hogan

Carter 27:20

what she's saying that you're

SPEAKER_00 27:24

you're giving her advice on what the ndp should be doing right now on the health care file what

SPEAKER_00 27:31

what what does that look like with

Carter 27:34

a specific relationship to the feds it's put well in i

SPEAKER_00 27:39

i think a relationship to

SPEAKER_00 27:40

this deal but also like health care health care like it is just make it your number one time make

SPEAKER_00 27:46

single time there's an issue you know that this ambulance didn't take this person stand up with them and just hammer for the next three months health care health care health care like it's not coming through the deal like what what's their play right now yeah what other

Carter 27:59

other issues are there i

Carter 28:02

what what else do we care about i mean sure you can cost a living but even if cost of living i would do tied to uh health care right it's the cost of living that that's really the problem i mean the

Carter 28:14

the ndp want you you know want the cost of health care to be maintained and controlled rolled by the, you

Carter 28:20

you know, by the government, the government's going to continue to pay. Danielle wants you to pay from your health savings account. You know, Danielle wants you to pay. And when your health savings account is gone, what you're it's going to come out of your pocket that doesn't manage cost of living. Those are the two top issues and you can tie them together. So my view is this, these are winning issues and winning opportunities for the NDP. and if

Carter 28:44

you could talk about health care every day for the next sick you know how many weeks of the end of may um someone probably knows let's call it 15 or 18 weeks you talk about health care every week that's what you do you talk about health care i

SPEAKER_00 29:00

i think it's more than 15 weeks carter i'm just going to pull up this um abacus

SPEAKER_00 29:04

abacus thing here so top three issues cost Cost of living, 67%, improving healthcare, 50%, managing the economy, 34%. So quite a big difference between managing the economy at three and cost of living at one. I guess, what do you make of this being the issues? Healthcare

Carter 29:23

Healthcare is real. Everybody has healthcare issues. Cost of living is real. Managing the economy is imaginary. No one knows what that means.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

means. That question was for Corey, but I think maybe I said Carter. Corey, jump in. Well, I

Corey 29:35

I think those numbers are totally irrelevant. And if the NDP are chasing them, they're going down a bad path. They need to be looking at what their accessible voters care about. It's not what, you know, Albertans as a whole think are the top issues. It's what the Albertans who are movable think are the top issues. And I think this is a trap that political parties fall into very, very quickly. And I'm pretty sure that if you ask movable voters, you'd find kind of some similar numbers. But, you know, step one is diagnose the problem in very specific terms. So you've got a couple of swing ridings on the borders of Calgary. You've got a couple of swing ridings in rural Alberta. You've got to understand what their top issues are and the lenses through which they look at them. Because you're going to have a number of right-wing voters, for example, who say healthcare is, you

Corey 30:21

you know, we agree healthcare is a problem, but our solution, our remedy is very different. Similarly, you're going to have people say, we agree affordability is a problem, but affordability probably means something very different to somebody who's got a family income of $150,000 and they're finding that they can't get the fifth wheel they want versus somebody who is living paycheck to paycheck at $15 an hour. So you got to have a little bit more, you got to dig into the issues a lot more than that. And I actually think this is one of these things that the NDP are going to have to be very careful about the UCP2 going forward in the next couple of months, which is you are going to have people waving these polls in front of your face and saying, see, act, see this, this is what people want you to talk about. But the two filters you always have to put this through is, that's great. We're not trying to win every voter in Alberta. We're trying to win the movable voters in Alberta. Those who are with us are with us. Those against us are against us. We care about the movable voters. And that's great. But just because an issue has salience doesn't mean it's good to us. And we've got to identify where we have the strongest ground. and so if i'm the ndp yeah i i you know i suspect despite all those words i just said you end up in a place not dissimilar from steven health care health care health care but i certainly want to make sure that i'm confirming that and i certainly want to be thinking about it almost on a riding by riding basis not in not in kind of a very blanket sense boy

Carter 31:46

boy is rachel not larry ever pissed with you right now she's sitting there listening in the car and she's like fucking hogan doesn't

Carter 31:53

doesn't know what the hell he's talking

Carter 31:56

can't believe i'm forced to agree with stephen carter again that's probably what she's saying right now i'm fucking i can't believe it yeah

SPEAKER_00 32:05

um okay well i guess let's just chat a little bit about the abacus polling um i mean we've touched on it a bit but did did the results surprise either of you guys do you think it's great news for the ucp um what what are your thoughts on what came out today just briefly I

Carter 32:23

think it shows, from my point of view, it shows the natural resting place of the voters, right? This isn't actually about how it's going to end. This is about how it goes when you go through December. The last David Coletto poll came out, I think, in October, November, somewhere in there. And it was the one that they identified the reluctant UCP voters. And those ones had watched real shit go down in October, November, and into early December with the legislature, Danielle Smith, the mistakes that were made, the real on-the-field stuff. And then the

Carter 32:59

the party's been off the field. No one's been doing anything. thing no one can really i mean people do not care about politics at christmas they just do not care and then when they're coming out of christmas in january you know it's just not a high point it's not something that we're like oh yeah i'm going to you know change my mind i don't think this is a changing of the mind thing i think that this is people going back to their resting place the places that they're comfortable and it's what it's showing the ndp is

Carter 33:26

is it shows the ndp how hard hard their job is going to be, because the natural resting place for voters in Alberta is on conservative soil. It's conservative land, and that's where people want to be. And so you are forcing them off of that land in order to come to the NDP and vote for the NDP. So if you're going to be forcing people off of that land, then you've got to have a really good case for support. and the case for support from the ndp over the last uh couple of months has been terrible i mean we tore them apart on the just transition uh we tore the you know i i tear them apart about having a lack of focus i mean i saw that again today um you know daniel smith has planned to put 20 billion dollars into uh oil and gas um you know cleaning up oil and gas wells out of our royalties out of our royalties royalties are albertans money for the resources that live under our our soil they're giving that away back to the companies that are making record profits um and and the

Carter 34:29

the ndp today might have had seven different messages they were on every story on every issue at all times sending letters over here talking about issues over there what the fuck do you have the ability to have a singular point of conversation that's

Carter 34:44

that's what's required at this point

SPEAKER_00 34:47

cory why do you think um to carter's point like why why

SPEAKER_00 34:51

why is that in terms of being in in the back rooms is it like a issue of they are hearing you

SPEAKER_00 34:58

you know they're being pulled in all these different directions because this person's saying well we got to focus on this and then this person's coming in is it like a staff thing is it just like they haven't been in this position before where they're opposition and they they are three months out and they could win like why i what what carter's saying i think um i've heard in my circles as well i don't think it it would surprise people like why you you're behind the scenes why not

SPEAKER_00 35:24

not behind the scenes in this you've been behind the scenes take

SPEAKER_00 35:28

take a step back why is something like this happening part

Corey 35:32

part of it is just it's a very target rich environment there's a lot of things they're mad about and they they want to say them them all right and saying them all is okay as long as they are emphasizing only a few like you you target some of them towards the stakeholders who will care about it but your general messaging is just on the big things that most people care about and sometimes i think we can get tricked into believing that they are more scattered than they actually are because we're following them on twitter and so we see kind of this stream of everything and we don't get a sense of where the weight is with the general public where they're putting their you know their advertising dollars, for example, or perhaps where they're even putting their PR effort, you know, are they on, you know, say they're on Red FM here in Calgary, what issue are they talking about? Are they talking about 12 issues? Or are they actually just talking about the one, but we've seen 12. And so we get frustrated. And, and we think that this is just a poor application of political strategy. But you know, I mean, to loop back or loop back through, you know, the Coletto poll, and then get to Carter's point about this RSTAR program and message discipline.

Corey 36:35

What Carter said said about natural resting place feels right but

Corey 36:38

but i don't think it's as simple as he's saying it is because you know the other thing we're learning a lot about and it's not a a pretty story if you happen to be the ndp is the elasticity of the voter how quickly they have snapped back to supporting the ucp because i just i reject that there haven't been things going on that should have be a negative drag on the ucp the

Corey 36:59

the thing is we're already just reacting with a shrug to them We had the premier say, I interfered in the administration of justice. Oh, wait, that's the interference in the administration of justice? I mean, I didn't do that. And then there was CBC reporting that perhaps their staff did. And there's like a lot going on that I think reasonably you might think would be a drag on Danielle Smith's popularity, but we're not really seeing that. And I'll tell you right now, like 48-46 UCP, that is not an election, like you clearly are not winning there if you're the NDP because of where the votes are and the seats are. So you've got to find a way to sort of seize the initiative here. the r-star program for

Corey 37:39

for anybody who's not familiar with it because carter kind of gave a treetop version is this idea that we would give up to 20 billion dollars in royalty breaks to companies to do something they are already legally required to do which is clean up their oil wells right once they're done with them and so it does seem to be like like what's the metaphor like Like, Stephen, I sell you my car and I say, but promise me that you won't speed and drive illegally on my street. And then you do. And I say, oh, hey, listen up, man. I'm actually willing to give you all of the money back you gave me for the car if you actually now keep the word that you've already committed to doing. Like, it's a bit bonkers. And the scale of money is so big, I think people get lost in it. But there's got to be a way you can pull that back to your message. Like, you want to talk about education? Well, that's 200 to 1,000 schools, depending on if you're talking K-3 or like high school schools. That's an enormous amount of money, $20 billion. How many physicians is that? How many nurses is that? How many health care workers more generally is that?

Corey 38:41

two years. I just got a shot of education funding. You

Corey 38:43

You got your hand up like we're in that K-3 school I was just describing. What's going on, my friend? Carter,

Carter 38:49

I was just going to say, I mean, it's like the equivalent of three years of education funding. like it is so much money that is almost inconceivable to understand how much it is and it's coming out of our royalties right and we waited to get these royalties for 20 years like these these royalties have been promised to us for year after year after year and we're finally getting them and she's going to give 20 billion dollars back well how about the north leg of the lrt right the north leg of the green line would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of eight billion we could have all the all the capital projects that any mayor calgary mayor edmonton mayor cochran mayor airdrie mayor add them all up and the province could put their funding in just from this one program alone it's

SPEAKER_00 39:33

fucking let's just let's chat a little bit about the r-star thing and i think it's worth noting too um that

SPEAKER_00 39:39

that she daniel smith pushed for this 20 billion dollar plan when she was a corporate lobbyist um and now now she's premier but But I

SPEAKER_00 39:48

feel like it hasn't gotten as

SPEAKER_00 39:51

as much coverage maybe as it might deserve for that $20 billion number. Do you think some of that, Carter, is because of, and you kind of referenced it, the

SPEAKER_00 40:00

the lack of strong reaction from the NDP? And is that because they're like so scared of saying anything that people in oil and gas won't like?

Carter 40:11

Well, I'm not sure if it's because they're so scared. I think that for me, you know, Rachel made a good statement today. um she she talked about how how bad this was and how wrong it was um she didn't come out half-hearted she didn't come out um tepid uh which has been kind of some of the you know like again we were really hard on her on the uh um uh

Carter 40:32

uh the other thing that's gone from my brain brain right now but we were really hard for just transition

Carter 40:37

transition um and now you

Carter 40:40

she's come out very strong on this it's just not getting the play and I don't know why it's not getting the play but you know it's

Carter 40:47

it's it's a well-reported story every every news you know every news outlet was on it today um but it just didn't feel like the NDP was a part of it instead it felt like you know they were you know the news media were holding the premier to account the news media were trying to get to the bottom of it but it didn't feel like the NDP

Carter 41:05

NDP was a character in that particular story but

SPEAKER_00 41:08

but even like the media availability today i don't maybe i missed it if she talked separately about r star stuff but like

SPEAKER_00 41:15

the the media questions i mean there was a couple questions from cbc about the crown interference and from cp there was a question from uh i

SPEAKER_00 41:24

i think it was western standard about the handshake like they were and then there's some questions about the health care stuff there wasn't she wasn't getting grilled on the r star stuff well

Carter 41:33

well maybe it's coming or maybe people don't understand how how big it is i mean it's fucking huge um and you know if we don't start talking it it in and of itself should be a weekend story it should be a four or five day story but the

Carter 41:49

the news media is difficult to predict annalise i mean we've been through we've we've talked about how it's changed so dramatically you were part of that change um it is super hard to imagine a scenario where we We continue without the media presence, you know, talking to various reporters about various issues. They are overwhelmed in the same fashion that the NDP themselves are overwhelmed. And maybe they're just not there yet. Maybe it comes in the next day or two. Hopefully it does. I certainly hope it

SPEAKER_00 42:17

it does. Corey, is there a comparison to you of like how big

SPEAKER_00 42:21

big of a deal the R-Star stuff is? And if you know, in previous, like, can you just, can you put it into comparison of like, how wild the story is?

Corey 42:34

I mean, no, 20 billion is so much money. It's almost a, it's

Corey 42:39

it's just a number, right? But I can tell you that when

Corey 42:43

when we talk about the health care deal that we are discussing, it's more than basically they were asking for when it comes to Alberta. Essentially, we're asking for money from the feds to pay for health care, and we're giving way more money out the back door to oil and gas companies. So what is the plan here? In some ways, I think those are the comps you need to draw, and those are the stories you need to tell. if you want to tell a story about health care and our star comes up yes i mean it it seems to me personally deeply egregious that we would pay such an unfathomable amount of money to get somebody to do something they're legally you know they have to do it like this is this is already a requirement of oil and gas companies so what's the point they also then they have record profits right now i like none of this makes any sense to me but maybe

Corey 43:32

maybe that's how you tell the story it's like Like, okay, well, the premier has said we need X number of dollars to fix health care from the federal government. She's giving that much money away to get somebody to comply with the laws that already exist. Maybe those are the parallels that need to be drawn. Maybe the number is so big, we need to attach it to other things with similar price tags that people do understand, right? I mean, that's

Corey 43:55

the only thing I can think of right now. But, like, when we talk about boondoggles of, like, billion-dollar boondoggles, like, this is a magnitude

Corey 44:03

magnitude beyond and then some, right? It's just, it's really, really big. 20 billion is more than most people can possibly process.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Carter, what's the strategy from Smith? Like, why, I

SPEAKER_00 44:17

I mean, I guess you could answer the question, why do this? Because it's her friends and she's doing it. it but like why now with knowing the potential like of going into the election and that 20 billion dollar uh

SPEAKER_00 44:29

number that she's handing over to powell's what was it

Carter 44:32

it jobs pipelines and you know what was the slogan that kenny had uh

Carter 44:39

this could be seen by some people to be an investment in the oil and gas industry this is how we keep the oil and gas industry industry strong in alberta by investing in them by enabling them to to be successful um there are so many pressures on our oil and gas i mean people were were tweeting at me today saying you know the

Carter 44:59

the only alternative for these companies is to go bankrupt and i'm like yeah but if they went bankrupt we just paid the 20 you know we'd pay the money to get the wells cleaned up we wouldn't have to give it to a company to pad their bottom line there's just you know when it comes to oil and gas there's such a large segment of our population that is just simply bought into the premise that we must do everything possible to sustain this industry even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the industry is not ever going to look the same it's still going to happen but it's not ever going to look the same but

SPEAKER_00 45:34

but to that point of like targeting things to voters are are those like is that swinging people in the in the middle to smith do you

Carter 45:45

you know but smith is all we've we've talked about this a lot when one of the things that i say is that smith is very unconcerned about targeting um the the the swing voter uh first of all going back to the coletto piece we believe you know if we believe the theory that we've that i put forward that that this is the natural resting place of conservatives in Alberta,

Carter 46:09

they're going to come back to you when you do natural conservative type stuff anyways. So just keep doing the natural conservative stuff. They are buying in. They are taking it, you know, they're all over this shit. So, you know, is it enough? I don't think so. But there's a whole bunch of things that I didn't think were good and she's rebounded in the polls. So something's working for her.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

okay let's leave it there and we'll move into our next segment it's called liar it's your fault bullshit um we're talking about joe biden yeah

SPEAKER_00 46:43

joe biden gave his second state of the union address this week and his opponents shouted these things they said liar separate things like they're like liar liar it's your fault bullshit at him um this is a quote from the new york times his His second State of the Union address was punctuated by outbursts, jeers and peals of mocking laughter. Corey, let's dive into this a bit. The same piece of the New York Times like talked about how, you know, a decade ago, less than a decade ago, these sorts of outbursts like simply weren't acceptable. And now they're happening. And I guess your take, and also, can you talk about like, if there's strategy here on Biden's part, because he's good when he's heckled, because he looks like a decent dude fighting for the American people?

Corey 47:31

Well, look, it's true. A decade ago, this would be considered incredibly terrible decorum. If you take a broader view, somebody was once beaten

Corey 47:39

beaten half to death with a cane on the floor of the House of Representatives in the, you know, the 1850s. Oh,

Carter 47:44

Oh, sure. That always

Corey 47:45

always comes up. That old chestnut.

Corey 47:47

The Sumner thing, yeah. The reality is it's ebbed and flowed how kind of, I guess you could say, civil the House of Representatives have been. And certainly we're at a local

Corey 48:01

local low point, but certainly by no means the lowest point in U.S. history. It's designed to be this house that elects kind of populist voices. That's what it was built to be. And we're certainly seeing that in a big way right now. Now, I don't think, though, all

Corey 48:15

all that said, that that helped the Republicans or hurt Joe Biden. I feel that they're really letting their crazy all hang out here. I have no way of possibly reconciling in my brain that people will look back on Marjorie Taylor Greene in 30 years and be like, yeah, that's a statesperson that we did well there. That was a good representative to send to Congress. Right. right because like this this is all such petty small bullshit and it's getting in the way of the major problems america has i think it's far more likely they'll say what a what a clear sign of america's decline that was meanwhile joe biden actually

Corey 48:52

actually seemed to do better the more he was heckling he reminded me a bit of um well

Corey 48:58

well actually in a funny way derrick fildebrandt so derrick filled a brand is never is never better than when people are like booing him and angry at him like he's a he's like a wrestling heel he loves him he loves it when people are coming at him and it sharpens his mind and i get the same sense joe biden does that too and obviously some of the lines were canned right you know his good luck in your senior year uh line which people were playing over and over again he started saying it before they booed and then he acted as though it it was a reaction to their booze okay

Corey 49:31

okay that's fine but like he was just grinning ear to ear he was clearly enjoying it and it looked like the mixing it up and drawing those lines in the sand was uh exactly what he wanted to do and um and why not uh because it just creates such a stark contrast between people who want to tear it all down and somebody who's saying i'm not gonna let you

SPEAKER_00 49:53

carter you're nodding your head you agree with uh cory i

Carter 49:55

i think that joe loved it i think that he He, you know, when he was talking about the freezes on Social Security and Medicare or whatever it's called down there. And he kind of played it like, oh, I guess I miss, you know, I guess you all agree with me now. I love a conversion. That was kind of, you know, he was loving that. And more important than him loving that, the commentators were all over it. And it wasn't, I mean, obviously, MSNBC, I think, jizzed in their pants, like it was extremely exciting for them. But for even people who, you

Carter 50:36

were a little less partisan, a little less pro Joe

Carter 50:40

Joe Biden, there was still tons of positive praise that came out of it. I mean, people seem to think that now the whole debt crisis is going to be solved because, you know, he's fixed it. He's put them in their place. Well, that's not the way that the Republican Party of 2023 works. But, you know, it was it was still a very impressive showing for Joe for Joe Biden and a very good opportunity for him to kind of step outside of the sleepy Joe. And that's where I think you can really point a strategic misfire at our friends in the Republican Party. They just

Carter 51:18

just don't seem to have a strategy at all. I mean, you could see Kevin McCarthy like trying to shush them, trying to get them to stop heckling because he could see. He thinks that their support was being eroded at every step, every time that Marjorie Taylor Greene opened her fucking mouth. And he was trying to slow it down and stop it. But he's

Carter 51:40

he's impotent. He's impotent in Congress right

Carter 51:45

right now. And there's virtually no way for him to regain any power or strength. And I think that that's probably the big takeaway that if I were sitting in the in the Democratic Party right now, I'd be saying this

Carter 52:00

this is our real opportunity to start to drive wedges between these folks because they ain't on the same side.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

Corey, jump in there.

Corey 52:08

Yeah, you know, the question that I've been thinking or turning around in my head for the last bit is, yeah, generally speaking, I've looked at Marjorie Taylor Greene's activities as distasteful. And I thought Joe Biden had an okay night. But I'm trying to imagine if those personalities were all flipped and say it was a speech by Donald Trump and you had AOC heckling, for example, right? What I would have thought or how I would have reacted to it. And, I don't know, I like to think I would be equally displeased and thinking it was not particularly helpful. But there's going to be a number of Republicans who think, yeah, standing up to a guy who stole an election, got to keep in mind a majority of Republicans think he stole an election, and just lies to us constantly. And the vast majority of Republicans think Joe Biden's a liar, right? Right. So I don't know. I mean, in some ways, I wonder if it's not, if

Corey 53:03

if it's not all part of the bubble. And if you stepped outside of it, it's not likely to have too much of effect. Now, what makes me think that's wrong is exactly what Carter said is, you know, Kevin McCarthy didn't seem to be particularly keen, and he seemed very worried about it. But I don't know. I mean, in some ways, we're in such partisan times in the United States.

Corey 53:23

Maybe it's all irrelevant. Maybe you're going to cheer them on or boo them depending on where you are and there's going to be no thought beyond that well

Carter 53:29

or pox on both you know on both their houses i mean yeah

Carter 53:34

neither one of these parties is necessarily going to gain from it except you know the polling appears to be showing that there is uh in general an uptick on biden um an

Corey 53:46

an uptick but he's still like

Corey 53:49

he's way down though my friend you know his

Carter 53:51

his personal support levels have never been this high i think 43 so it's

Carter 53:58

it's not great is what i'm trying to tell you but

Corey 54:01

he's got he's got a disapproval of 52 approval of 43 on 538 right now right that's

Corey 54:10

it's not the highest it's been it's the highest it's been since uh in like the last year when he started he was at about 55 approval massive

Carter 54:19

the whole country's still fucked i think is what we're trying to say annalise well

SPEAKER_00 54:26

well i'm not there thanks carter for that ending you're

Carter 54:30

important to get you know keep things concise is what i was told yeah

SPEAKER_00 54:34

yeah short and sweet we'll move into our lightning round speaking of concise and the first one i have for you and and Carter, we'll start with you. Because

Carter 54:42

Because it's all about

Carter 54:44

You do it for me?

SPEAKER_00 54:46

No. What's the best heckle? If you were to shout a heckle at your pal Corey right now, give us your best heckle.

Carter 54:57

I couldn't get your mom to listen to you if I paid her.

Corey 55:01

That's the best you've got?

Carter 55:03

Well, no, but I knew it would cut you and hurt you the most.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Corey, what's your best heckle for Carter?

Corey 55:10

i would just play his heckle back for him and make him feel bad about himself okay

Carter 55:17

next lightning round give us a fucking heads up i mean you and zane never tell us what's coming and then you're all like you guys suck because you weren't able to pull that out of your ass fast enough okay

SPEAKER_00 55:28

okay next question last lightning round question um there's

SPEAKER_00 55:33

there's a new tweet limit did you guys did you get the alert yesterday that you had tweeted too many times yeah

Carter 55:40

yeah i had to follow an artist on twitter and she really beautiful paintings from calgary and i couldn't follow her because uh i'd reached my limit um were

SPEAKER_00 55:50

were you about to say tiktok there carter no

SPEAKER_00 55:53

are you on tiktok i'm

Carter 55:54

i'm on tiktok everybody's

Carter 55:55

everybody's on tiktok it

SPEAKER_00 55:57

it sounds like you were saying tiktok not twitter twitter

Carter 55:59

twitter i'm on everybody's on tiktok just some of us don't record things we're just voyeurs okay

Corey 56:06

got an idea like a patreon a patreon stretch goal if we get uh a hundred new patrons in the next week uh we live stream your for you page for 10 minutes oh

Carter 56:23

oh i think that That would be a very bad idea.

SPEAKER_00 56:27

a great idea. TikTok seems to have the wrong impression about me.

Corey 56:31

100 in the next week, then we'll stream Carter's 14 page. No,

SPEAKER_00 56:37

idea. It's happening. We need 100. Okay,

SPEAKER_00 56:41

so there's a new limit to how many tweets a day you can send. And then apparently like smaller limits for semi-hour intervals. intervals um

SPEAKER_00 56:53

um so my lightning round question is like what's the maximum number of times you think someone should be allowed to tweet in one hour cory like what's let's say let's say you're at twitter they don't have a comms team right now but they need people to tell them what to do like what's how many times should you be allowed to tweet in an hour i

Corey 57:15

think the combination of their Sarah Fockup, and your question has led us to a brilliant, brilliant

Corey 57:20

brilliant product idea. Forget character limits. You can tweet once an hour. So make it count. That would be a hell of a product. You'd have to sit and think about it.

Carter 57:33

No way, man. What you've got to do is you've got to adapt the be real idea, and you've got to tweet exactly when it asks you to tweet. And it happens once a day, and you don't know when it's going to happen. It happens once a day, and you have to tweet something right then.

Carter 57:47

whatever your thought is and

SPEAKER_00 57:48

how cool is it at the top that takes you down how

Carter 57:51

how cool is it that i'm the one that knows about be real you

Corey 57:54

you know what you should be able to put as many things as you want into drafts but then you get the alert and you've got five minutes so yeah just figure it out boom

Carter 58:02

boom out it goes carter

SPEAKER_00 58:04

carter you know about all this stuff because you have like daughters who are in their 20s like

SPEAKER_00 58:09

like it's not you know

SPEAKER_00 58:10

know you don't have to burst

SPEAKER_00 58:12

fuck people you hang out with you know what

Carter 58:14

what i discovered you know what i figured out you're closer in age to my daughters than you are to me very

SPEAKER_00 58:23

well that's a wrap on episode 1035 of the strategist I'm your host Annalise Klingbeil and with you as always Stephen Carter and Corey Hogan

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